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Fatalities, murder? and lessons learned....or not.
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<blockquote data-quote="quad decade guy" data-source="post: 4290692" data-attributes="member: 77939"><p>Class. How does pointing out how dangerous our jobs really are? All I said. What have we learned? </p><p></p><p>Classless? Ok. Or have we still not gotten it as far as fatalities(even murder) and their causes and </p><p></p><p>prevention. While these questions may seem "dumb" to you, I believe they are the smartest,</p><p></p><p>most insightful(and useful)......to help save lives.</p><p></p><p>On the back of a double fatality, my writing and mental acuities are questioned, right from the </p><p></p><p>start. As I've said, predictable. So, getting back to the original idea, what lessons have we learned?</p><p></p><p>To some, Article 18(whatever) ends any discussion of discipline, training and a whole long</p><p></p><p>list of why our hands are tied in any of these instances. If you don't understand what I'm talking </p><p></p><p>about, you don't have a basic grasp of the union and company culture and us vs. them.</p><p></p><p></p><p>This is part of what we have learned. Your post suggests that exploring or even questioning the </p><p></p><p>root causes and prevention is the dumbest thing ever posted on brown cafe. Please explain this.</p><p></p><p>Or is it because of your blind hatred and dislike for me, that you can only attack and belittle?</p><p></p><p>Which is interesting as my only goal is to identify causes and prevention. </p><p></p><p>See, there are many reasons why any of these fatalities happen and almost always preventable.</p><p></p><p>The discussion almost always never gets there. You do find small clues(in the posts) sprinkled</p><p></p><p>here and there. Ex: the jet mechanic relating how this was an established practice that had</p><p></p><p>existed for a long time. And that nothing was ever done about it. Others confirmed this. So,</p><p></p><p>my supposition has been that deliberately reckless, obstinate behavior continues unabated and</p><p></p><p>uncorrected with causes that have roots with the union and mgt. and of course employees.</p><p></p><p>All in tragic, plain sight. So, it might be helpful to explore this or you can continue to tear me down,</p><p></p><p>belittle and scoff and of course deride.</p><p></p><p>I'll start the exercise. Ontario: The type of horseplay(deliberately reckless behavior) was(is) a long</p><p></p><p>established, observed practice. Even reported. One could surmise even known to mgt. in some </p><p></p><p>way. One could logically conclude that a short amount of time observing the air ramp or any phase </p><p></p><p>of the operation, would confirm deliberately reckless behavior. One could also conclude that all of</p><p></p><p>the above has been and was recorded. Simply, in other words-we(yes we) know what's happening.</p><p></p><p>I submit there is a triad of elements: employees, union and mgt. I also submit the causes and </p><p></p><p>prevention are basic and straight forward. For this, I'm dumb and classless.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="quad decade guy, post: 4290692, member: 77939"] Class. How does pointing out how dangerous our jobs really are? All I said. What have we learned? Classless? Ok. Or have we still not gotten it as far as fatalities(even murder) and their causes and prevention. While these questions may seem "dumb" to you, I believe they are the smartest, most insightful(and useful)......to help save lives. On the back of a double fatality, my writing and mental acuities are questioned, right from the start. As I've said, predictable. So, getting back to the original idea, what lessons have we learned? To some, Article 18(whatever) ends any discussion of discipline, training and a whole long list of why our hands are tied in any of these instances. If you don't understand what I'm talking about, you don't have a basic grasp of the union and company culture and us vs. them. This is part of what we have learned. Your post suggests that exploring or even questioning the root causes and prevention is the dumbest thing ever posted on brown cafe. Please explain this. Or is it because of your blind hatred and dislike for me, that you can only attack and belittle? Which is interesting as my only goal is to identify causes and prevention. See, there are many reasons why any of these fatalities happen and almost always preventable. The discussion almost always never gets there. You do find small clues(in the posts) sprinkled here and there. Ex: the jet mechanic relating how this was an established practice that had existed for a long time. And that nothing was ever done about it. Others confirmed this. So, my supposition has been that deliberately reckless, obstinate behavior continues unabated and uncorrected with causes that have roots with the union and mgt. and of course employees. All in tragic, plain sight. So, it might be helpful to explore this or you can continue to tear me down, belittle and scoff and of course deride. I'll start the exercise. Ontario: The type of horseplay(deliberately reckless behavior) was(is) a long established, observed practice. Even reported. One could surmise even known to mgt. in some way. One could logically conclude that a short amount of time observing the air ramp or any phase of the operation, would confirm deliberately reckless behavior. One could also conclude that all of the above has been and was recorded. Simply, in other words-we(yes we) know what's happening. I submit there is a triad of elements: employees, union and mgt. I also submit the causes and prevention are basic and straight forward. For this, I'm dumb and classless. [/QUOTE]
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