Fatalities, murder? and lessons learned....or not.

Discussion in 'Life After Brown' started by quad decade guy, Dec 5, 2019.

  1. quad decade guy

    quad decade guy Active Member

    These headlines illustrate just how dangerous being a UPSer is. So, how can we

    be safer? Reactions/actions run the full spectrum. From doing everything possible to

    actually undermining efforts...deliberately. Most reactions are predictable from this

    forum. Many just personal attacks on a poster they don't like, never offering any type of

    solution, all on the back of a fatality. Shameful.
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  2. MyTripisCut

    MyTripisCut Dumpster, INABAG

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  3. What are you talking about?
  4. burrheadd

    burrheadd KING Of GIFS

    this would be easier to read if you used no punctuation and just jammed everything together

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  5. quad decade guy

    quad decade guy Active Member

    Like this...
  6. quad decade guy

    quad decade guy Active Member

    Like this....
  7. Been In Brown Too Long

    Been In Brown Too Long Ex-Package Donkey

    I'm not seeing any personal attacks. I do however see a conversation. That's all.
  8. 542thruNthru

    542thruNthru Well-Known Member

    I'm confused at what you're trying to get at here. Is this about the UPS driver killed in Florida during the shootout?
  9. Air Recovery

    Air Recovery Active Member

    You have a super annoying way of typing posts.
  10. UpstateNYUPSer

    UpstateNYUPSer Well-Known Member

    It's a shame that the OP lacks the basic writing skills possessed by most 2nd graders as this thread had the potential of creating meaningful dialogue.

    Comparing the "accident" that killed two of our employees on the air ramp and the hijacking that took the life of a driver who was on his first day alone on the car and tragically was in the wrong place at the wrong time is like comparing apples and oranges.

    The air ramp incident was completely avoidable. These two idiots were screwing around on a tug and paid the ultimate price for their stupidity. There will be all sorts of unnecessary proactive safety measures and needless money spent because these two simply didn't feel like doing their jobs the way that they were trained to do.

    The hijacking was a tragic case of being in the wrong place at the wrong time. The kid was on his first day alone and was super excited to start what he hoped to be a long career as a driver. There are going to be those who will advocate for drivers to be allowed to carry. That most certainly would have backfired (pun not intended----well, sort of) as there were two of them and one of him and while he may have gotten one of them he most certainly would not have gotten them both and most certainly would have been shot and killed for his efforts.

    Our world has gone crazy and there is little to nothing that any company could do to protect against every possible scenario.
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  11. quad decade guy

    quad decade guy Active Member

  12. quad decade guy

    quad decade guy Active Member

    Then don't read them. Scroll on. It's

    easy. You are exactly what I'm talking

    about. How about solutions? Instead

    of criticizing my posting. We're talking

    about 3 deaths.
  13. Yeet

    Yeet Inbound, turnaround, go to town

    What solution would you provide in the instance of the driver shot in the shootout? Just don’t get shot? How was he being unsafe? How could he have prevented that? I’ll give you the two guys that unfortunately lost their lives on the tug as they were being idiots but there is literally nothing that driver could have done. RIP.
  14. Wally

    Wally BrownCafe Innovator & King of Puns

    Lay off those drugs kid.

    A lot more people get shot in Chicago in a week than ups'ers in decades.
  15. Justaloader

    Justaloader Active Member

    I like how you jump to the conclusion that he would have had the short end of the stick even if he was armed. Are you an expert on hijacking scenarios now? For all we know, had the kid been armed, he may have taken out both hijackers....and lived to tell the tale. Sadly, we'll never know. Personally, I think a person has the ownace to try to best prepare themselves for any situation they may find themselves in, within reason of course (as you can't possibly prepare for the infinite number of situations that can occur in daily life). Part of that includes being able to defend oneself - be it carrying a gun, knife, and knowing full well how to use them, and use them well.
  16. Wally

    Wally BrownCafe Innovator & King of Puns

    You arm drivers and potential hijackers may shoot first and ask questions later.
  17. Justaloader

    Justaloader Active Member

    Not sure how that differs from now...? Or, did you mean to say drivers will shoot potential hijackers first, and THEN ask questions? If so, then perhaps that will give people pause about being a potential hijacker.
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  19. Integrity

    Integrity Binge Poster

    I appreciate your post.

    Not good.

    Very sad.

    Everyone who work’s for UPS puts their life on the line everyday, every minute of every day while under the employ of UPS.

    Employees should always be treated with the dignity, respect and care that assuming this risk deserves.

    Management should be above reproach with their treatment if those under them.

    Union officials and Union brothers should accept nothing less than 100% solidarity with regards dignity, respect, and care Union brothers and all UPS employees deserve. Even if it costs us some money.

    Unsafe acts of any kind should never be tolerated even if the guilty employee needs to be fired for refusal to follow UPS Safety training.

    Any management person who observes unsafe acts of any kind and does nothing should be fired on the spot.

    This should be the culture at UPS, this would put those most responsible on notice that UPS safety training must be followed not only in word but in deed as well.
  20. Wally

    Wally BrownCafe Innovator & King of Puns