Fighting the High Cost of Retirement

Serf

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My family had vacationed on the gulf coast of Florida for years. ‘93-04 time frame. Now I’m told it’s full of jag offs from the northeast because it’s deemed a prominent destination spot. Same thing with the show Yellowstone ruining Montana/Wyoming. If a place is so great, do not tell anyone about it!
 

Commercial Inside Release

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Rolled in the Southwest for camping?

True, dispersed camping is legal on BLM & Forest Service lands... But, only 14-days, within a 28-day period. However, officials will find you, and there are a ton of things they can use to get you to move on. Being more than 300 feet from an established road, illegal waste disposal, littering, contriband, open burning (they love to impose fire restrictions,) possesion/transportation of fuel in illegal containers on federal land, vehicle leaks, local complaints (people will report you,)... Maybe just because they don't like you. If you think the local sheriff or BIA officers are going to defend your right to squat, you're dreaming. Maybe in the past, but not anymore, since squatters are everywhere, and a major nuisance.

But, the real problem is you are a sitting duck out there, with no where to go. The general public now has a fair percentage that will mess with you, just because they can, and there are no witnesses. In the past, this wasn't the case. Now days, I've seen people shot at in the dark, assaulted, campsite robbed or vandalized while you are away, etc.

Don't forget, the border patrol (especially in the southwest,) now can go inland 100mi from the border, and hassle any campers nightly, if they want to.

Good luck, you'll need it.
 

vantexan

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True, dispersed camping is legal on BLM & Forest Service lands... But, only 14-days, within a 28-day period. However, officials will find you, and there are a ton of things they can use to get you to move on. Being more than 300 feet from an established road, illegal waste disposal, littering, contriband, open burning (they love to impose fire restrictions,) possesion/transportation of fuel in illegal containers on federal land, vehicle leaks, local complaints (people will report you,)... Maybe just because they don't like you. If you think the local sheriff or BIA officers are going to defend your right to squat, you're dreaming. Maybe in the past, but not anymore, since squatters are everywhere, and a major nuisance.

But, the real problem is you are a sitting duck out there, with no where to go. The general public now has a fair percentage that will mess with you, just because they can, and there are no witnesses. In the past, this wasn't the case. Now days, I've seen people shot at in the dark, assaulted, campsite robbed or vandalized while you are away, etc.

Don't forget, the border patrol (especially in the southwest,) now can go inland 100mi from the border, and hassle any campers nightly, if they want to.

Good luck, you'll need it.
Who is squatting? Apparently you're unaware people camp like this all the time. RVers do it all the time. Yes there's a 14 day limit on BLM land. You then move at least 25 miles away and do two more weeks. You observe rules like fire bans if required. So? And I will rarely be on BLM land anyways. I'm planning on doing New Mexico state parks. 14 days then you must be out of that particular park for at least 6 days before returning. Some parks are close enough to go back and forth all the time. Restrooms with showers provided. You can primitive camp in many of the parks. Free if you have the annual pass. $4 a night for a site with electric and water if you have the pass.

As to safety have you been to the Southwest? There aren't roaming criminals attacking people out in the boonies. People reporting you? What people? Or for what? Legally camping on government owned land? Do you know why you're allowed to camp there? Because we the people are the government. And the Border Patrol? Apparently you aren't familiar with Long Term Visitors Areas(LTVA's) set up in southern Arizona and California for people to boondock on with their RV's for up to 7 months for $180. They are very close to the border and no Border Patrol will bother you there. I've lived and worked in three border town areas and know what I speak of and have followed RV forums for 20+ years. You on the other hand are making assumptions. And you know why? You just can't stand seeing anyone do anything different from what you consider the norm. If you want to live the standard American lifestyle more power to you. Those of us with limited incomes have to consider alternatives and I've investigated it enough, lived it enough to know it suits me well. So you do you, I'll do me.
 

qdg2

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Who is squatting? Apparently you're unaware people camp like this all the time. RVers do it all the time. Yes there's a 14 day limit on BLM land. You then move at least 25 miles away and do two more weeks. You observe rules like fire bans if required. So? And I will rarely be on BLM land anyways. I'm planning on doing New Mexico state parks. 14 days then you must be out of that particular park for at least 6 days before returning. Some parks are close enough to go back and forth all the time. Restrooms with showers provided. You can primitive camp in many of the parks. Free if you have the annual pass. $4 a night for a site with electric and water if you have the pass.

As to safety have you been to the Southwest? There aren't roaming criminals attacking people out in the boonies. People reporting you? What people? Or for what? Legally camping on government owned land? Do you know why you're allowed to camp there? Because we the people are the government. And the Border Patrol? Apparently you aren't familiar with Long Term Visitors Areas(LTVA's) set up in southern Arizona and California for people to boondock on with their RV's for up to 7 months for $180. They are very close to the border and no Border Patrol will bother you there. I've lived and worked in three border town areas and know what I speak of and have followed RV forums for 20+ years. You on the other hand are making assumptions. And you know why? You just can't stand seeing anyone do anything different from what you consider the norm. If you want to live the standard American lifestyle more power to you. Those of us with limited incomes have to consider alternatives and I've investigated it enough, lived it enough to know it suits me well. So you do you, I'll do me.
Have you considered going back to work?

I'm not going to make any assumptions about you.

I'm vaguely aware of your life experience. Mine was much more "normal"(whatever that means)(to be fair). Trust me....mine was full of tragedy and challenges...some were overcome some not so much.

Are you really down to living in a tent or RV or such and being chased out of every place? Serious question.

If you can post on BC(a lot!).....seems you could do some sort of internet something. I assume you can't work being classified disabled? Yet, you can travel all over and break camp constantly and still can't work?

Do you spend what money you have on gasoline and vehicle maintenance? Serious questions. From what I see on Youtube.....it takes a lot of effort and expenses to ...."RV".

How about plain ole welfare? These folks have tons of kids, medical care, cell phones, internet, housing, food and transportation. And don't do anything except screw and smoke weed.....why are you working so hard at it? Serious questions.

Did you work at UPS and get a pension? I'm not old enough to get SSI yet but it's going to be about $2800 and then eventually Medicare. I think we could live on that without doing anything like camping. Especially as we get older.

BTW, NM is becoming CA about guns and such. It's hard to believe you aren't concerned about illegals. Especially in NM.
NM is trying hard to become CA.

Doesn't just about every place USA have "govt assisted living"? Federal,State,County Municipal?

You said nomad type living suits you.....is that a choice over govt stuff? Some sort of pride thing? Serious questions.

Lastly, how long do you think you'll live? I'm 60 and no male in my family has lived past 72. I make decisions based on those statistics. As you age, will you be able to do all this moving around? I would think it takes a great deal of energy.....
 

Operational needs

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My family had vacationed on the gulf coast of Florida for years. ‘93-04 time frame. Now I’m told it’s full of jag offs from the northeast because it’s deemed a prominent destination spot. Same thing with the show Yellowstone ruining Montana/Wyoming. If a place is so great, do not tell anyone about it!
I can confirm this, about the Gulf Coast. Traffic is horrendous and horn honking off the charts from the Northerners who moved here. Cost of housing has sky rocketed making it impossible for Florida born and bred to ever buy a house. Other costs are through the roof also.
 

vantexan

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Have you considered going back to work?
###(I "retired" at 55 from FedEx with an "accelerated" pension that gives me $1840 a month until 67 then it drops to $117 a month. Left because I had heart, knee, and feet issues and diabetes issues. I have worked at several jobs since but only one paid anything. Quit it after 7 months not because I hated it but through sheer exhaustion. Drove all over the U.S. for an expeditor often not getting more than 2-3 hrs of sleep while driving 700-1800 miles on a delivery. Great job otherwise.)###



Are you really down to living in a tent or RV or such and being chased out of every place? Serious question.
###(I'm trying to figure out why you guys think this is some kind of illegal gray area where you get chased away all the time? This isn't homelessness on the streets of some major metro area. There are RV parks all over the place and RVers boondock in the desert all the time. Not only legal but encouraged. I lived in RV parks in a 26' travel trailer for 12 years while working for FedEx. Often had half million dollar motorhomes parked next to me.)###




If you can post on BC(a lot!).....seems you could do some sort of internet something. I assume you can't work being classified disabled? Yet, you can travel all over and break camp constantly and still can't work?
###(OK, what's your definition of retirement? My dad has a nice home on the edge of The Villages, the top retirement community in the U.S. Has everything, golfers paradise. But is expensive. I can't afford it. What would you suggest as an alternative? Work at Wal-Mart just so I can rent an apartment and pay utilities? What's the point? Seriously, what's the point of working just to exist especially if being on my feet for hours hurts them and my back? I'm 61 by the way. Since retiring I've traveled in Mexico, Canada, Colombia, Argentina, England, Hungary, Albania, Georgia, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Ukraine, Sweden, Iceland, and the United Arab Emirates. Corresponded with a young woman from Kyrgyzstan yesterday. Do you think after working 43 years(started at 12) I should just have kept at it? Endless days of doing same old same old and not have any dreams or goals of my own? What's your definition of retirement?)###

Do you spend what money you have on gasoline and vehicle maintenance? Serious questions. From what I see on Youtube.....it takes a lot of effort and expenses to ...."RV".
###(I've looked at what's available and costs from every angle. I'm fortunate in that my dad isn't charging me rent while living here. Will take Social Security at 62 and for 5 years save everything I can until my pension drops way down at 67. He's in better health now due to recently getting a pacemaker but if he should pass I'm heading overseas to continue to save. Plan to buy a Toyota hybrid outright and pull a very small trailer with it. A rolling bedroom. Could go even cheaper if need be. Annual camping pass at New Mexico state parks is $225. So 50 mpg gas car, $4 a night electric for trailer if not boondocking for free, $30 a month Visible cellphone with unlimited hotspot for internet, liability only insurance, the usual odds and ends like groceries, car maintenance. Very doable on my income.)###

How about plain ole welfare? These folks have tons of kids, medical care, cell phones, internet, housing, food and transportation. And don't do anything except screw and smoke weed.....why are you working so hard at it? Serious questions.
###(Why would I take that even if I were eligible when I can pay my own way? And what exactly is hard about what I'll be doing? Waking up in a beautiful, well maintained state park, going for hikes, listening to Sirius satellite radio while surfing the Internet, driving into town for groceries, catching a movie? What's so bad about that? Alternative? Instead of getting the hybrid get a much bigger travel trailer, put in RV park that's near shopping, use an ebike for transport or if in say Las Cruces use the bus system for $30 a month. If I had to I would but prefer the freedom of having my own car. Can still drive to Las Cruces or Albuquerque or El Paso or Tucson on occasion for something different but most of my time would be spent in small towns or in state parks. Hard work?)###

Did you work at UPS and get a pension? I'm not old enough to get SSI yet but it's going to be about $2800 and then eventually Medicare. I think we could live on that without doing anything like camping. Especially as we get older.
###(Already told you about my pension. FedEx pulled the rug out from under us. I had figured on $1700 a month plus Social Security. But after they got through with our retirement plans, plus I got married at 51, if I had stayed until 60 it would've been about $1000 a month plus Social Security. Was hurting too much, and was loathing the company for what it had become, so left.)###

BTW, NM is becoming CA about guns and such. It's hard to believe you aren't concerned about illegals. Especially in NM.
NM is trying hard to become CA.
###(Illegals don't just wander around in the desert except near the border. They are getting rides to population centers to get work. Unless you're right on the border in an area that's advantageous to cross then it's a non issue.)###

Doesn't just about every place USA have "govt assisted living"? Federal,State,County Municipal?
###(Why would I do that if I can pay my own way?)###

You said nomad type living suits you.....is that a choice over govt stuff? Some sort of pride thing? Serious questions.
###(Don't know how familiar you are with the Southwest. It's a freedom thing. Beautiful views. No crowds. Good food. Sunshine. Can moderate your climate by going up or down the mountains. Can step over into Mexico for cheap medicine, no prescription required. There's wildlife. Stars at night are amazing. If you've never heard a pack of coyotes howling at night while looking at the Milky Way you just won't understand.)###

Lastly, how long do you think you'll live? I'm 60 and no male in my family has lived past 72. I make decisions based on those statistics. As you age, will you be able to do all this moving around? I would think it takes a great deal of energy.....
###(I'm 61 with diabetes. May not make it to 75. Had a heart attack and double bypass last year. Why would I waste my remaining time going to a mindless job when I can have the freedom to roam around an area I love?)###
 
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UnionStrong

Sorry, but I don’t care anymore.
Who is squatting? Apparently you're unaware people camp like this all the time. RVers do it all the time. Yes there's a 14 day limit on BLM land. You then move at least 25 miles away and do two more weeks. You observe rules like fire bans if required. So? And I will rarely be on BLM land anyways. I'm planning on doing New Mexico state parks. 14 days then you must be out of that particular park for at least 6 days before returning. Some parks are close enough to go back and forth all the time. Restrooms with showers provided. You can primitive camp in many of the parks. Free if you have the annual pass. $4 a night for a site with electric and water if you have the pass.

As to safety have you been to the Southwest? There aren't roaming criminals attacking people out in the boonies. People reporting you? What people? Or for what? Legally camping on government owned land? Do you know why you're allowed to camp there? Because we the people are the government. And the Border Patrol? Apparently you aren't familiar with Long Term Visitors Areas(LTVA's) set up in southern Arizona and California for people to boondock on with their RV's for up to 7 months for $180. They are very close to the border and no Border Patrol will bother you there. I've lived and worked in three border town areas and know what I speak of and have followed RV forums for 20+ years. You on the other hand are making assumptions. And you know why? You just can't stand seeing anyone do anything different from what you consider the norm. If you want to live the standard American lifestyle more power to you. Those of us with limited incomes have to consider alternatives and I've investigated it enough, lived it enough to know it suits me well. So you do you, I'll do me.
I don’t think I’d camp near the border.
 

vantexan

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Quartzite isn’t exactly on the border.
No, it isn't. There are LTVA's much closer. And well used. There are little towns like Telingua, TX on the border. Most of where I'll be is further inland but he seems to think being in the Southwest means illegals and banditos running around everywhere.
 

vantexan

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I can confirm this, about the Gulf Coast. Traffic is horrendous and horn honking off the charts from the Northerners who moved here. Cost of housing has sky rocketed making it impossible for Florida born and bred to ever buy a house. Other costs are through the roof also.
I saw the same in Colorado in the mid-90's. A lot of friction between locals and newcomers then.
 

I have NOT been lurking

Eat. Sleep. Work. Jork.
Have you considered going back to work?

I'm not going to make any assumptions about you.

I'm vaguely aware of your life experience. Mine was much more "normal"(whatever that means)(to be fair). Trust me....mine was full of tragedy and challenges...some were overcome some not so much.

Are you really down to living in a tent or RV or such and being chased out of every place? Serious question.

If you can post on BC(a lot!).....seems you could do some sort of internet something. I assume you can't work being classified disabled? Yet, you can travel all over and break camp constantly and still can't work?

Do you spend what money you have on gasoline and vehicle maintenance? Serious questions. From what I see on Youtube.....it takes a lot of effort and expenses to ...."RV".

How about plain ole welfare? These folks have tons of kids, medical care, cell phones, internet, housing, food and transportation. And don't do anything except screw and smoke weed.....why are you working so hard at it? Serious questions.

Did you work at UPS and get a pension? I'm not old enough to get SSI yet but it's going to be about $2800 and then eventually Medicare. I think we could live on that without doing anything like camping. Especially as we get older.

BTW, NM is becoming CA about guns and such. It's hard to believe you aren't concerned about illegals. Especially in NM.
NM is trying hard to become CA.

Doesn't just about every place USA have "govt assisted living"? Federal,State,County Municipal?

You said nomad type living suits you.....is that a choice over govt stuff? Some sort of pride thing? Serious questions.

Lastly, how long do you think you'll live? I'm 60 and no male in my family has lived past 72. I make decisions based on those statistics. As you age, will you be able to do all this moving around? I would think it takes a great deal of energy.....
 

Commercial Inside Release

Well-Known Member
@vantexan
You've been going on & on about living in a Prius. That means tent, sleeping in a car, washing at truck stops, hiding from the weather in libraries, and an occasional filthy motel.

You will get hassled.

As far as the RVing thing goes, the costs are probably 10x what they used to be. Tons of people going broke, trying to live that life. Now days, you will be begging for admission to someplace decent and safe to camp, while the campground owner/manager let's another guy in with a $2mil rig.

That's the real reason people are squatting in their junky, eyesore RVs at crap grounds, (instead of campgrounds.)
 

UnionStrong

Sorry, but I don’t care anymore.
@vantexan
You've been going on & on about living in a Prius. That means tent, sleeping in a car, washing at truck stops, hiding from the weather in libraries, and an occasional filthy motel.

You will get hassled.

As far as the RVing thing goes, the costs are probably 10x what they used to be. Tons of people going broke, trying to live that life. Now days, you will be begging for admission to someplace decent and safe to camp, while the campground owner/manager let's another guy in with a $2mil rig.

That's the real reason people are squatting in their junky, eyesore RVs at crap grounds, (instead of campgrounds.)
Tough being a hobo. Thank God I didn’t work for FedEx.
 

UnionStrong

Sorry, but I don’t care anymore.
If he's playing property taxes and utilities, doesn't it?
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