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Fired and union did not accurately represent me.
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<blockquote data-quote="The Other Side" data-source="post: 824179" data-attributes="member: 17969"><p>Danny, </p><p> </p><p>Ok, so if I follow your logic, and changing the scenario a wee-bit, lets say all the facts are as you state up to the point where he tells the company that he will be incarcerated for 2 years, are you suggesting that the company is "obligated" to hold his position open until he is released simply on the basis that upon his arrest while on duty he notified the company that he was unable to complete the days work (fair days work) and would be taken to jail for 2 calendar years?</p><p> </p><p>This additional concept that you stated is missing a few "key" points. </p><p> </p><p><strong>"Just like calling in hurt On monday, I call you stating that I was hurt over the weekend, and I dont know when I can return to work. You were notified, and you knew I would not be at work for at least several days, if not weeks"</strong></p><p> </p><p>What you are missing is the requirement of a doctors note on the 5th day. This is in our contract. You can get hurt and miss work, but on the 5th day, you would have to show proof from a doctor in order to satisfy your obligation under our contract.</p><p> </p><p>You can never call in on a monday and disappear for weeks and not expect the company to ask you for justification?</p><p> </p><p>A doctors note is a part of the reporting process.</p><p> </p><p>Some of you seem to "feel" that his telling the company that he was being arrested while on duty somehow suffices for an UNAUTHORIZED leave for 30 consecutive days simply because he made a phone call.</p><p> </p><p>Unfortunately, "feelings" are not a part of our contract.</p><p> </p><p>Specific language is a part of our contract and there is no rider or addendum that includes "feelings".</p><p> </p><p>Unless you can demonstrate a section, article or rider that specifically includes "feelings" or language relating to being arrested while on duty, then I think you can stop trying to super sleuth this case.</p><p> </p><p>Objective Data is all that is required in this case. Was the company within its rights under contract? YES, was the Union in violation of any BYLAWS or its constitution?? NO.</p><p> </p><p>Case Closed.</p><p> </p><p>Peace.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="The Other Side, post: 824179, member: 17969"] Danny, Ok, so if I follow your logic, and changing the scenario a wee-bit, lets say all the facts are as you state up to the point where he tells the company that he will be incarcerated for 2 years, are you suggesting that the company is "obligated" to hold his position open until he is released simply on the basis that upon his arrest while on duty he notified the company that he was unable to complete the days work (fair days work) and would be taken to jail for 2 calendar years? This additional concept that you stated is missing a few "key" points. [B]"Just like calling in hurt On monday, I call you stating that I was hurt over the weekend, and I dont know when I can return to work. You were notified, and you knew I would not be at work for at least several days, if not weeks"[/B] What you are missing is the requirement of a doctors note on the 5th day. This is in our contract. You can get hurt and miss work, but on the 5th day, you would have to show proof from a doctor in order to satisfy your obligation under our contract. You can never call in on a monday and disappear for weeks and not expect the company to ask you for justification? A doctors note is a part of the reporting process. Some of you seem to "feel" that his telling the company that he was being arrested while on duty somehow suffices for an UNAUTHORIZED leave for 30 consecutive days simply because he made a phone call. Unfortunately, "feelings" are not a part of our contract. Specific language is a part of our contract and there is no rider or addendum that includes "feelings". Unless you can demonstrate a section, article or rider that specifically includes "feelings" or language relating to being arrested while on duty, then I think you can stop trying to super sleuth this case. Objective Data is all that is required in this case. Was the company within its rights under contract? YES, was the Union in violation of any BYLAWS or its constitution?? NO. Case Closed. Peace. [/QUOTE]
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