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Message: <blockquote data-quote="JL 0513" data-source="post: 1296769" data-attributes="member: 50088">What's your solution if we can't use oil and gas?  If you say wind and solar then you're an idiot.  Our whole existence is based on fossil fuels.  Hence why I say the alternative is caves.  I assume you ride a bicycle to work and you pull your packages in a wagon.   And your house is without lighting and heat.  No appliances either. The computer you're typing on has a hand crank.  If not, you're a hypocrite just like every other liberal.  Also, you want to talk long term trends, I'm looking at billions of years.  Liberals are looking at a spec on the time line - decades.  Like I said earlier, we've had 5 known ice ages.  The earth warmed out of them each time.  What caused that?  Incandescent light bulbs?</blockquote>