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<blockquote data-quote="beentheredonethat" data-source="post: 1413438" data-attributes="member: 4886">Also, to be clear on my viewpoint.&nbsp; I follow the 3 R&#039;s (Reduce, reuse, recycle).&nbsp; I&#039;ve gone to selectman in our town to have our town recycle even more material then we currently do.&nbsp; I have a car that gets good gas mileage and I maintain it so it stays good.&nbsp; I think that we should worry about polluting the environment and do a better job in cleaning it up.&nbsp; I&#039;m all for alternate fuels. In fact, I believe that going back to at least Nixon (probably further) that all the President&#039;s have done us a disservice by not working on ways of reducing reliance on oil.&nbsp; I think the government should spend money (and a lot of money) on educating our children in STEM related majors (Science, Technology, Engineering and Math).&nbsp; Help in paying for college for those students pursuing those majors.&nbsp; Offer block grants (more then current) to colleges like MIT, Cal Tech etc to have them study alternate fuels. (Solar\Wind\Tidal\Geothermal\Nuclear\Hydro\Fuel Cells etc etc).&nbsp; I don&#039;t want the govt to help out companies (like Solyndra) rather to educate our children so that they can come up with ideas that will allow us to not rely on oil (esp oil from the middle east). Can you imagine if oil was not really needed and was not worth much.&nbsp; That would mean we wouldn&#039;t worry about the middle east. Those people wouldn&#039;t have money to buy guns\bombs etc etc so they wouldn&#039;t really be a threat like they have been.&nbsp; My issue is that the weatherman can&#039;t get tomorrow&#039;s weather right (or even today&#039;s weather right) Yet we are supposed to believe with 100% certainty they know what will happen in 10 or 100 years in the future.&nbsp; Get tomorrow&#039;s weather right all the time and then we can start talking.Also, in the 70&#039;s it was fact about global cooling, then in the 90&#039;s it was fact about global warming. Now it&#039;s a fact about climate change.&nbsp; Obviously the fact of the 70&#039;s was wrong in the 90&#039;s. The facts of the 90&#039;s was wrong today.&nbsp; Now the label is so vague anything that happens they prove it&#039;s climate change. It&#039;s raining..climate change.&nbsp; It&#039;s snowing climate change. It&#039;s cold climate change, it&#039;s warm climate change.&nbsp; Then of course people saying facts.&nbsp; 2+2 =4 is a fact.&nbsp; Climate change as in man causing it is not.&nbsp; &nbsp; (Although, I do believe we do influence it...but it&#039;s a belief, not a fact).The funny part is that in the 1970&#039;s the environmentalists were protesting nuclear even though nuclear is great in terms of climate change.&nbsp; Even today we have people complaining about windmills due to noise or killing birds. ALso the people who like it don&#039;t want it in their back yard to ruin the view (Thanks Ted Kennedy).We have to decide first. Do we want to walk into a room and turn on the lights?&nbsp; If the answer is YES (which i think it&#039;s true for 99.9% of us). Then we have to decide how to do it. (Nuclear, coal, oil, gas, wind, solar, hydro).&nbsp; Keep in mind,it&#039;s dark half the day, it&#039;s also not always windy.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="beentheredonethat, post: 1413438, member: 4886"] Also, to be clear on my viewpoint. I follow the 3 R's (Reduce, reuse, recycle). I've gone to selectman in our town to have our town recycle even more material then we currently do. I have a car that gets good gas mileage and I maintain it so it stays good. I think that we should worry about polluting the environment and do a better job in cleaning it up. I'm all for alternate fuels. In fact, I believe that going back to at least Nixon (probably further) that all the President's have done us a disservice by not working on ways of reducing reliance on oil. I think the government should spend money (and a lot of money) on educating our children in STEM related majors (Science, Technology, Engineering and Math). Help in paying for college for those students pursuing those majors. Offer block grants (more then current) to colleges like MIT, Cal Tech etc to have them study alternate fuels. (Solar\Wind\Tidal\Geothermal\Nuclear\Hydro\Fuel Cells etc etc). I don't want the govt to help out companies (like Solyndra) rather to educate our children so that they can come up with ideas that will allow us to not rely on oil (esp oil from the middle east). Can you imagine if oil was not really needed and was not worth much. That would mean we wouldn't worry about the middle east. Those people wouldn't have money to buy guns\bombs etc etc so they wouldn't really be a threat like they have been. My issue is that the weatherman can't get tomorrow's weather right (or even today's weather right) Yet we are supposed to believe with 100% certainty they know what will happen in 10 or 100 years in the future. Get tomorrow's weather right all the time and then we can start talking. Also, in the 70's it was fact about global cooling, then in the 90's it was fact about global warming. Now it's a fact about climate change. Obviously the fact of the 70's was wrong in the 90's. The facts of the 90's was wrong today. Now the label is so vague anything that happens they prove it's climate change. It's raining..climate change. It's snowing climate change. It's cold climate change, it's warm climate change. Then of course people saying facts. 2+2 =4 is a fact. Climate change as in man causing it is not. (Although, I do believe we do influence it...but it's a belief, not a fact). The funny part is that in the 1970's the environmentalists were protesting nuclear even though nuclear is great in terms of climate change. Even today we have people complaining about windmills due to noise or killing birds. ALso the people who like it don't want it in their back yard to ruin the view (Thanks Ted Kennedy). We have to decide first. Do we want to walk into a room and turn on the lights? If the answer is YES (which i think it's true for 99.9% of us). Then we have to decide how to do it. (Nuclear, coal, oil, gas, wind, solar, hydro). Keep in mind,it's dark half the day, it's also not always windy. [/QUOTE]

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