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<blockquote data-quote="BrownArmy" data-source="post: 1550171" data-attributes="member: 18225">I&#039;ll bite:The evidence is on the side of &#039;not-fake&#039;, aside from what you believe to be true.When I say that, I mean that it&#039;s not disputable that climate change is happening, and it&#039;s not disputable that it&#039;s occurring on a scale that dwarfs anything we have on record...is it man-made?&nbsp; How the friend should I know, I&#039;m not a scientist.&nbsp; Many of the &#039;deniers&#039; are turning out to have ties with and or are being funded by big oil and the Koch brothers, who have vested interests in keeping their cash-cows alive and kicking.The Koch Brothers are &#039;socially&#039; quite liberal, but will back anyone that advances their &#039;CASH MONEY AT ANY OTHER COST&#039; strategy.Your preposition that scientists are faking data because they want/need grants is laughable at best.&nbsp; In fact, in our current idiot Congress, the right-wingers, and most especially the Koch-brother funded right wingers (don&#039;t forget, the Koch&#039;s give money to Dems as well, if it suits there purpose) are working very hard to de-fund any scientist who even mentions &#039;climate-change&#039;.In that scenario, contrary to your assertion, these &#039;money-grubbing&#039; scientists aren&#039;t faking data to get &#039;grants&#039; or other such nonsense, they&#039;re actually risking whatever funding they have by going on the record as supporting the fact that climate change is occurring.The Pentagon has identified climate change as a very high-level threat to our national security.&nbsp; Is it your assertion that the Pentagon is just &#039;grubbing for funds&#039;?&nbsp; Ridiculous.&nbsp; The Pentagon has always been funded, and in recent decades they&#039;ve been funded most by Republicans.&nbsp; Yet, today, the Pentagon is scared sh-less by this BLATANTLY IDEOLOGICAL turn in Congress...our naval bases are in danger of sinking into the sea, and the Pentagon is scared of Congress denying them funds if they mention climate change.Long story short, climate change is occurring, whether or not its man-made.In our current political climate, with the &#039;deniers&#039; getting so much funding, we&#039;re not in a position to address the ACTUAL risks we&#039;re facing, and so we&#039;re getting way behind the eight-ball.IT DOESN&#039;T MATTER WHETHER CLIMATE CHANGE IS MAN-MADE OR NOT, IT&#039;S HAPPENING, AND WE&#039;RE GOING TO BE CAUGHT WITH OUR PANTS DOWN.End of rant.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="BrownArmy, post: 1550171, member: 18225"] I'll bite: The evidence is on the side of 'not-fake', aside from what you believe to be true. When I say that, I mean that it's not disputable that climate change is happening, and it's not disputable that it's occurring on a scale that dwarfs anything we have on record...is it man-made? How the friend should I know, I'm not a scientist. Many of the 'deniers' are turning out to have ties with and or are being funded by big oil and the Koch brothers, who have vested interests in keeping their cash-cows alive and kicking. The Koch Brothers are 'socially' quite liberal, but will back anyone that advances their 'CASH MONEY AT ANY OTHER COST' strategy. Your preposition that scientists are faking data because they want/need grants is [B]laughable at best[/B]. In fact, in our current idiot Congress, the right-wingers, and most especially the Koch-brother funded right wingers (don't forget, the Koch's give money to Dems as well, if it suits there purpose) are working very hard to de-fund any scientist who even mentions 'climate-change'. In that scenario, contrary to your assertion, these 'money-grubbing' scientists aren't faking data to get 'grants' or other such nonsense, they're actually risking whatever funding they have by going on the record as supporting the fact that climate change is occurring. The Pentagon has identified climate change as a very high-level threat to our national security. Is it your assertion that the Pentagon is just 'grubbing for funds'? [B]Ridiculous.[/B] The Pentagon has always been funded, and in recent decades they've been funded most by Republicans. Yet, today, the Pentagon is scared sh-less by this [B]BLATANTLY IDEOLOGICAL [/B]turn in Congress...our naval bases are in danger of sinking into the sea, and the Pentagon is scared of Congress denying them funds if they mention climate change. Long story short, climate change is occurring, whether or not its man-made. In our current political climate, with the 'deniers' getting so much funding, we're not in a position to address the [B]ACTUAL [/B]risks we're facing, and so we're getting way behind the eight-ball. [B]IT DOESN'T MATTER WHETHER CLIMATE CHANGE IS MAN-MADE OR NOT, IT'S HAPPENING, AND WE'RE GOING TO BE CAUGHT WITH OUR PANTS DOWN.[/B] End of rant. [/QUOTE]

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