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<blockquote data-quote="oldngray" data-source="post: 1940879" data-attributes="member: 45230">Why are you a fanatic on the subject? The issue is not proven one way or another and what does irritate me is people being non scientific and claiming it is &quot;settled&quot;. Climate change does exist and naturally occurs. Where the global warming arguments fail is in proving change is man made. <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Correlation_does_not_imply_causation" target="_blank">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Correlation_does_not_imply_causation</a>Also what is almost invariably ignored are the effects of variations in solar radiation or effects of volcanoes or other causes that do far more to the environment than the total of all of man&#039;s impact.I don&#039;t mind sensible discussions like this with people who I disagree with. I do object when others do nothing but attack and deflect with no support for their own positions.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="oldngray, post: 1940879, member: 45230"] Why are you a fanatic on the subject? The issue is not proven one way or another and what does irritate me is people being non scientific and claiming it is "settled". Climate change does exist and naturally occurs. Where the global warming arguments fail is in proving change is man made. [URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Correlation_does_not_imply_causation[/URL] Also what is almost invariably ignored are the effects of variations in solar radiation or effects of volcanoes or other causes that do far more to the environment than the total of all of man's impact. I don't mind sensible discussions like this with people who I disagree with. I do object when others do nothing but attack and deflect with no support for their own positions. [/QUOTE]

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