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<blockquote data-quote="The Other Side" data-source="post: 615710" data-attributes="member: 17969"><p>ITRAIN,</p><p>Ya ya ya, another wonder boy just doing his "job".</p><p> </p><p>Whether or not you had dye on you or the fact that you point out nothing was missing from the pkg doesnt get you off the hook. So many things are out of order in your story.</p><p> </p><p>You admit "seeing" a dye coming out of the pkg, this would be close to impossible with a standard dye pack. You must have a clear understanding of how the dye packs work. If a pkg is smashed downward, the dye pack will NOT go off. The flaps would have to be opened for this to occur. </p><p> </p><p>Second, when the company places a "salt" in the load, it doesnt place them under pkgs. They are in plain view on a shelf, usually shelf 1 or 2 where the driver can get a first opportunity early in the AM. You want us to believe you were salted with the pkg under a heavier pkg (125lbs) and <strong>that just begs the question:</strong></p><p> </p><p>How did the salt pkg get under a 125lb package? If it fell off a shelf onto the pkg car floor, how did the 125lb pkg become airborne then fall onto the salt? The company security makes sure that NO DAMAGE is possible to the pkg when placed into a pkg car. They go to extreme efforts to make the pkg visible so the suspected thief gets a good look at it.</p><p> </p><p>The salts are always placed upfront and not in the rear where they can become damaged. </p><p> </p><p>Once you see the "dye" coming out of the pkg, why didnt you report it as a hazmat? That is our training. You want us to believe that you SEE the DYE and merely place tape over it and let it continue on its path back into the UPS system where it could harm another employee should it be hazardous?</p><p> </p><p>Come on, a 10 year driver and you want to act like this is your first day on the job? Sorry, I dont buy it. </p><p> </p><p>You acknowledge that you know of "thefts" off your belt, and knowledge of other drivers complaining about retaped pkgs, yet, instead of protecting yourself and reporting the pkg with dye coming out, you merely place tape on it, alledgedly record it as missed and send it to the PM Clerk.</p><p> </p><p>Doing your job? Where is it our job to retape pkgs with a foreign substance oozing out of it and sending it along its merry way onto the belt system?</p><p> </p><p>Give me a break.</p><p> </p><p>Do me a favor and dont try to mix words with me, been around too long for the song and dance. You said you called them in? Really, called them in as what? Leaking? or just off areas...after you tried to repair the mess you created.</p><p> </p><p>Too many holes in your story mate. This isnt an original story, its one that unfortunately gets played out in every hub in every state. Someone who loses his integrity long enough to get caught up in a salty ending.</p><p> </p><p>...and before you begin with the fisticuffs, understand that I communicate to you without emotion. I am looking for facts, I am looking and gauging your responses. The truth comes out mostly "between" the lines.</p><p> </p><p>A lie can only walk so far before the truth comes up running behind it.</p><p> </p><p>You first wrote:</p><p>"as of three weeks i got walked off they said i tamperd with the intent.<strong><span style="font-size: 12px">i had a fixed up pkg made by security it was misloaded on truck</span></strong> they took pics of pkg early that morning well after an 9 hour day on my industrial route the said pkg got damaged so i taped it up and when i returned to building i put all misloads on belt i had five know i'm going to panel any advice please help."</p><p> </p><p>How do you know the intended Salt was meant for another truck?</p><p> </p><p>"as of three weeks i got walked off they said i tamperd with the intent.i had a fixed up pkg made by security it was misloaded on truck <strong><span style="font-size: 15px">they took pics of pkg early that morning</span></strong> well after an 9 hour day on my industrial route the said pkg got damaged so i taped it up and when i returned to building i put all misloads on belt i had five know i'm going to panel any advice please help."</p><p> </p><p>This is good, for UPS that is. They always take a picture of the location placement and then match that up with the story the driver tells. The photo documents the placement in the am (as you suggest) and I AM POSITIVE its not under a 125 lb pkg as you claim.</p><p> </p><p>"as of three weeks i got walked off they said i tamperd with the intent.i had a fixed up pkg made by security it was misloaded on truck they took pics of pkg early that morning <strong><span style="font-size: 12px">well after an 9 hour day on my industrial route the said pkg got damaged </span></strong>so i taped it up and when i returned to building i put all misloads on belt i had five know i'm going to panel any advice please help." </p><p> </p><p>Really? exactly how did this happen? How did a 125lb pkg end up on this smaller pkg containing drugs? Does gravity cease to exist on your route?</p><p> </p><p>"as of three weeks i got walked off they said i tamperd with the intent.i had a fixed up pkg made by security it was misloaded on truck they took pics of pkg early that morning well after an 9 hour day on my industrial route the said pkg got damaged <strong><span style="font-size: 15px">so i taped it up and when i returned to building i put all misloads on belt</span></strong> i had five know i'm going to panel any advice please help."</p><p> </p><p>This particular pkg you acknowledge had a dye coming out of it, why didnt you take this one pkg into the office and advise a supervisor? You clearly thought you could "hide" it back onto the belt system where no one could trace it back to you, however, being a salt, they knew it was on your truck.</p><p> </p><p>oops, i guess you have to go to plan b., or should I say plan b.s.</p><p> </p><p>Seen dozens of cases like yours. At the end of the day, they were always guilty, some came back, some didnt. Just a matter of sitting quietly in an executive session with the division manager and speaking the truth and asking for a second chance.</p><p> </p><p>All the advice about getting a lawyer and the like will get you nowhere, unless you have 10 grand to put down on a retainer win or lose.</p><p> </p><p>In arbitration, you will go down faster than President Bush's approval ratings.</p><p> </p><p>The company "suspected" you of theft, they documented their efforts and sent you on your way. At the end of the day, the dye pack was "compromised" mysteriously and you merely placed tape on it and placed it back onto the belt system.</p><p> </p><p>Chock this one up to ignorance. You are the reason the company has dye packs in the first place. </p><p> </p><p>When you say you "did your job", think that one over again. Doing your job would have been leaving the pkg alone, calling the center, reporting the dye and taking it into the office in the PM without trying to conceal it.</p><p> </p><p>As for no dye on your hands, well, you had 9 hours to use acetone and remove any trace of the dye long before you got back to the building.</p><p> </p><p>You got caught. Its your intention that is dishonest. Its still a cardinal infraction.</p><p> </p><p>Apologize to your wife and kids and move on. NOBODY traded you for anything, your story just doesnt hold water.</p><p> </p><p>"And to call me a thief were i come from me and you would have problems tough guy" ...Trust me, I would personally walk you out if you were in my building.</p><p> </p><p><img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/FeltTip/peaceful.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":peaceful:" title="Peaceful :peaceful:" data-shortname=":peaceful:" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="The Other Side, post: 615710, member: 17969"] ITRAIN, Ya ya ya, another wonder boy just doing his "job". Whether or not you had dye on you or the fact that you point out nothing was missing from the pkg doesnt get you off the hook. So many things are out of order in your story. You admit "seeing" a dye coming out of the pkg, this would be close to impossible with a standard dye pack. You must have a clear understanding of how the dye packs work. If a pkg is smashed downward, the dye pack will NOT go off. The flaps would have to be opened for this to occur. Second, when the company places a "salt" in the load, it doesnt place them under pkgs. They are in plain view on a shelf, usually shelf 1 or 2 where the driver can get a first opportunity early in the AM. You want us to believe you were salted with the pkg under a heavier pkg (125lbs) and [B]that just begs the question:[/B] How did the salt pkg get under a 125lb package? If it fell off a shelf onto the pkg car floor, how did the 125lb pkg become airborne then fall onto the salt? The company security makes sure that NO DAMAGE is possible to the pkg when placed into a pkg car. They go to extreme efforts to make the pkg visible so the suspected thief gets a good look at it. The salts are always placed upfront and not in the rear where they can become damaged. Once you see the "dye" coming out of the pkg, why didnt you report it as a hazmat? That is our training. You want us to believe that you SEE the DYE and merely place tape over it and let it continue on its path back into the UPS system where it could harm another employee should it be hazardous? Come on, a 10 year driver and you want to act like this is your first day on the job? Sorry, I dont buy it. You acknowledge that you know of "thefts" off your belt, and knowledge of other drivers complaining about retaped pkgs, yet, instead of protecting yourself and reporting the pkg with dye coming out, you merely place tape on it, alledgedly record it as missed and send it to the PM Clerk. Doing your job? Where is it our job to retape pkgs with a foreign substance oozing out of it and sending it along its merry way onto the belt system? Give me a break. Do me a favor and dont try to mix words with me, been around too long for the song and dance. You said you called them in? Really, called them in as what? Leaking? or just off areas...after you tried to repair the mess you created. Too many holes in your story mate. This isnt an original story, its one that unfortunately gets played out in every hub in every state. Someone who loses his integrity long enough to get caught up in a salty ending. ...and before you begin with the fisticuffs, understand that I communicate to you without emotion. I am looking for facts, I am looking and gauging your responses. The truth comes out mostly "between" the lines. A lie can only walk so far before the truth comes up running behind it. You first wrote: "as of three weeks i got walked off they said i tamperd with the intent.[B][SIZE=3]i had a fixed up pkg made by security it was misloaded on truck[/SIZE][/B] they took pics of pkg early that morning well after an 9 hour day on my industrial route the said pkg got damaged so i taped it up and when i returned to building i put all misloads on belt i had five know i'm going to panel any advice please help." How do you know the intended Salt was meant for another truck? "as of three weeks i got walked off they said i tamperd with the intent.i had a fixed up pkg made by security it was misloaded on truck [B][SIZE=4]they took pics of pkg early that morning[/SIZE][/B] well after an 9 hour day on my industrial route the said pkg got damaged so i taped it up and when i returned to building i put all misloads on belt i had five know i'm going to panel any advice please help." This is good, for UPS that is. They always take a picture of the location placement and then match that up with the story the driver tells. The photo documents the placement in the am (as you suggest) and I AM POSITIVE its not under a 125 lb pkg as you claim. "as of three weeks i got walked off they said i tamperd with the intent.i had a fixed up pkg made by security it was misloaded on truck they took pics of pkg early that morning [B][SIZE=3]well after an 9 hour day on my industrial route the said pkg got damaged [/SIZE][/B]so i taped it up and when i returned to building i put all misloads on belt i had five know i'm going to panel any advice please help." Really? exactly how did this happen? How did a 125lb pkg end up on this smaller pkg containing drugs? Does gravity cease to exist on your route? "as of three weeks i got walked off they said i tamperd with the intent.i had a fixed up pkg made by security it was misloaded on truck they took pics of pkg early that morning well after an 9 hour day on my industrial route the said pkg got damaged [B][SIZE=4]so i taped it up and when i returned to building i put all misloads on belt[/SIZE][/B] i had five know i'm going to panel any advice please help." This particular pkg you acknowledge had a dye coming out of it, why didnt you take this one pkg into the office and advise a supervisor? You clearly thought you could "hide" it back onto the belt system where no one could trace it back to you, however, being a salt, they knew it was on your truck. oops, i guess you have to go to plan b., or should I say plan b.s. Seen dozens of cases like yours. At the end of the day, they were always guilty, some came back, some didnt. Just a matter of sitting quietly in an executive session with the division manager and speaking the truth and asking for a second chance. All the advice about getting a lawyer and the like will get you nowhere, unless you have 10 grand to put down on a retainer win or lose. In arbitration, you will go down faster than President Bush's approval ratings. The company "suspected" you of theft, they documented their efforts and sent you on your way. At the end of the day, the dye pack was "compromised" mysteriously and you merely placed tape on it and placed it back onto the belt system. Chock this one up to ignorance. You are the reason the company has dye packs in the first place. When you say you "did your job", think that one over again. Doing your job would have been leaving the pkg alone, calling the center, reporting the dye and taking it into the office in the PM without trying to conceal it. As for no dye on your hands, well, you had 9 hours to use acetone and remove any trace of the dye long before you got back to the building. You got caught. Its your intention that is dishonest. Its still a cardinal infraction. Apologize to your wife and kids and move on. NOBODY traded you for anything, your story just doesnt hold water. "And to call me a thief were i come from me and you would have problems tough guy" ...Trust me, I would personally walk you out if you were in my building. :peaceful: [/QUOTE]
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