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<blockquote data-quote="vantexan" data-source="post: 1056494" data-attributes="member: 24302"><p>It was the Bakers Union that refused to make concessions. The Teamsters who represented their drivers agreed to the concessions. And it's not about taking sides, it's trying to take an honest look at what happened and at what has happened elsewhere. You want to say this side good, that side bad, and hear nothing else. Try intellectual honesty. Hostess upper management made very good money so asking bakers making an average $16.77hr to take an 8% pay cut, albeit with 3% raises over next 3 years and 1% in final year of 5 year contract must have felt like a slap in the face. The Teamster drivers averaged $41k a year. So the 5000 strong bakers union balked and more than 18,000 lost their jobs. The other side of the story is that the company filed for bankruptcy twice since 2000. You say develop new products. Are there baked goods not being brought to market that would have saved them? Do you think just maybe they brainstormed over every possible idea that might change the outcome? Again, you want what you want without consideration to all the facts. You and I aren't privy to all the facts, but it's a lot more complicated than we are always right, they are always wrong.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="vantexan, post: 1056494, member: 24302"] It was the Bakers Union that refused to make concessions. The Teamsters who represented their drivers agreed to the concessions. And it's not about taking sides, it's trying to take an honest look at what happened and at what has happened elsewhere. You want to say this side good, that side bad, and hear nothing else. Try intellectual honesty. Hostess upper management made very good money so asking bakers making an average $16.77hr to take an 8% pay cut, albeit with 3% raises over next 3 years and 1% in final year of 5 year contract must have felt like a slap in the face. The Teamster drivers averaged $41k a year. So the 5000 strong bakers union balked and more than 18,000 lost their jobs. The other side of the story is that the company filed for bankruptcy twice since 2000. You say develop new products. Are there baked goods not being brought to market that would have saved them? Do you think just maybe they brainstormed over every possible idea that might change the outcome? Again, you want what you want without consideration to all the facts. You and I aren't privy to all the facts, but it's a lot more complicated than we are always right, they are always wrong. [/QUOTE]
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