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<blockquote data-quote="soberups" data-source="post: 1489482" data-attributes="member: 14668"><p>I'm not doubting that racial profiling does occur, but I have a problem with some of the methodology that is used to create the statistics that prove it.</p><p></p><p>Problem #1 is that it is often very difficult (if not impossible) to determine the race of a driver in a car that you are following, especially if the vehicle is a van or a wagon with items in the back.</p><p></p><p>Problem #2 is that it is often very difficult if not impossible to determine the race of a driver...even in a car that is stationary....<strong>at night</strong>.</p><p></p><p>To be fair, any methodology used to determine racial profiling would have to exclude nighttime traffic stops as well as stops made on a vehicle from which the drivers race cannot be determined from behind.</p><p></p><p>The reality in many cases is that the police aren't pulling over the <strong>driver</strong> they are pulling over the <strong>car. </strong>Black people tend to have lower incomes that whites per capita, which is a <em>sociological</em> issue completely unrelated to racial profiling. Lower-income people tend to drive beater cars with issues (tail lights out, headlights out, expired registration etc.) that draw police attention and traffic stops more frequently.</p><p></p><p>Racial profiling is certainly an issue but here is another way to look at it. A study of profiling was recently done in the Portland, Oregon metro area and it showed that, per capita, Caucasians are 3 times more likely to be pulled over than Asians. Does this mean that Portland police are bigoted against Caucasians like myself? Or does it simply reflect the fact that the Asians in our area tend to be affluent, well educated, law abiding, and the owners of well-maintained, late model cars that don't draw police attention?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="soberups, post: 1489482, member: 14668"] I'm not doubting that racial profiling does occur, but I have a problem with some of the methodology that is used to create the statistics that prove it. Problem #1 is that it is often very difficult (if not impossible) to determine the race of a driver in a car that you are following, especially if the vehicle is a van or a wagon with items in the back. Problem #2 is that it is often very difficult if not impossible to determine the race of a driver...even in a car that is stationary....[B]at night[/B]. To be fair, any methodology used to determine racial profiling would have to exclude nighttime traffic stops as well as stops made on a vehicle from which the drivers race cannot be determined from behind. The reality in many cases is that the police aren't pulling over the [B]driver[/B] they are pulling over the [B]car. [/B]Black people tend to have lower incomes that whites per capita, which is a [I]sociological[/I] issue completely unrelated to racial profiling. Lower-income people tend to drive beater cars with issues (tail lights out, headlights out, expired registration etc.) that draw police attention and traffic stops more frequently. Racial profiling is certainly an issue but here is another way to look at it. A study of profiling was recently done in the Portland, Oregon metro area and it showed that, per capita, Caucasians are 3 times more likely to be pulled over than Asians. Does this mean that Portland police are bigoted against Caucasians like myself? Or does it simply reflect the fact that the Asians in our area tend to be affluent, well educated, law abiding, and the owners of well-maintained, late model cars that don't draw police attention? [/QUOTE]
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