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<blockquote data-quote="soberups" data-source="post: 862636" data-attributes="member: 14668"><p>I am also wary of allowing others to carry them "at will."</p><p></p><p>Unfortunately, it doesnt really <em>matter</em> what we as a society are "wary" of, or do and do not allow...the brutal and oft-repeated reality is that the lunatics and murderers of the world are <em>going</em> to carry them at will whether we "allow" them to or not.</p><p></p><p>So the question then becomes....are we collectively safer when <em>only</em> the murderers have the guns? And do those of us who choose not to own guns have a right to force that choice upon others?</p><p></p><p>Google the violent crime rate for the state of Florida when it passed its "shall issue" concealed carry law in 1987. Opponents of the law issued dire warnings of the "streets running red with blood" yet the violent crime rate dropped and has continued dropping ever since.</p><p></p><p>The number of states with "shall issue" (meaning that permits cannot arbitrarily be denied to otherwise qualified applicants) permits...or that require no permit at all....has risen from a mere handful in the 1980's, when the violent crime rate was far higher, to 39 today. Yet violent crime rates continue to drop.</p><p></p><p>The demonstrated reality is that we are collectively <em>safer</em> as a society when qualified, law-abiding citizens have the right to carry concealed weapons in public.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="soberups, post: 862636, member: 14668"] I am also wary of allowing others to carry them "at will." Unfortunately, it doesnt really [I]matter[/I] what we as a society are "wary" of, or do and do not allow...the brutal and oft-repeated reality is that the lunatics and murderers of the world are [I]going[/I] to carry them at will whether we "allow" them to or not. So the question then becomes....are we collectively safer when [I]only[/I] the murderers have the guns? And do those of us who choose not to own guns have a right to force that choice upon others? Google the violent crime rate for the state of Florida when it passed its "shall issue" concealed carry law in 1987. Opponents of the law issued dire warnings of the "streets running red with blood" yet the violent crime rate dropped and has continued dropping ever since. The number of states with "shall issue" (meaning that permits cannot arbitrarily be denied to otherwise qualified applicants) permits...or that require no permit at all....has risen from a mere handful in the 1980's, when the violent crime rate was far higher, to 39 today. Yet violent crime rates continue to drop. The demonstrated reality is that we are collectively [I]safer[/I] as a society when qualified, law-abiding citizens have the right to carry concealed weapons in public. [/QUOTE]
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