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<blockquote data-quote="zubenelgenubi" data-source="post: 3379333" data-attributes="member: 63706">Also too late to spell whether correctly, apparently.Sports complexes have both police and armed security, which I guess would qualify them as gun restricted. I don&#039;t know that there is no proof for the statement, but it&#039;s a hypothesis, based on observations, that could use some testing so that we have real data to talk about.But if the armed falculty or staff were carrying concealed, you wouldn&#039;t know which teacher was armed. Sure, you could probably figure it out over time if you were diligent, but there would always be the chance that you could miss some. Combine that with some armed guards and I think school shootings would be even more rare. Though adding armed guards to every school could be cost prohibitive for a lot of school districts. What alternative do you recommend? Ban guns all together? Abolish schools? Just keep the status quo? First two aren&#039;t going to happen, last one is what we&#039;ve been doing and suggests that there isn&#039;t really a problem. Which brings me to...I would love to see you stand in front of a large group of people who have lost loved ones to school shootings and make this argument. These arguments always start after a school shooting with those who lost loved ones and they are demanding something be done, usually banning guns. It&#039;s based entirely on emotion, and who can blame them? The problem is that if the pro gun folks don&#039;t remind the general population of the facts, then the emotonal argument can gain traction and potentially lead to a vote to repeal the second amendment, as unlikely as that may be. But that&#039;s that&#039;s the mentality motivating those making the arguments.The argument then progresses to &quot;what&#039;s the solution?&quot; So we try to come up with some more &quot;sensible gun control&quot;, or &quot;ending gun free zones&quot;. The one thing you can&#039;t tell a grieving parent who just buried their child is that there is no problem, so we&#039;re not going to do anything. The likelihood of becoming a victim doesn&#039;t matter much to those who have already been victimized.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="zubenelgenubi, post: 3379333, member: 63706"] Also too late to spell whether correctly, apparently. Sports complexes have both police and armed security, which I guess would qualify them as gun restricted. I don't know that there is no proof for the statement, but it's a hypothesis, based on observations, that could use some testing so that we have real data to talk about. But if the armed falculty or staff were carrying concealed, you wouldn't know which teacher was armed. Sure, you could probably figure it out over time if you were diligent, but there would always be the chance that you could miss some. Combine that with some armed guards and I think school shootings would be even more rare. Though adding armed guards to every school could be cost prohibitive for a lot of school districts. What alternative do you recommend? Ban guns all together? Abolish schools? Just keep the status quo? First two aren't going to happen, last one is what we've been doing and suggests that there isn't really a problem. Which brings me to... I would love to see you stand in front of a large group of people who have lost loved ones to school shootings and make this argument. These arguments always start after a school shooting with those who lost loved ones and they are demanding something be done, usually banning guns. It's based entirely on emotion, and who can blame them? The problem is that if the pro gun folks don't remind the general population of the facts, then the emotonal argument can gain traction and potentially lead to a vote to repeal the second amendment, as unlikely as that may be. But that's that's the mentality motivating those making the arguments. The argument then progresses to "what's the solution?" So we try to come up with some more "sensible gun control", or "ending gun free zones". The one thing you can't tell a grieving parent who just buried their child is that there is no problem, so we're not going to do anything. The likelihood of becoming a victim doesn't matter much to those who have already been victimized. [/QUOTE]

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