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<blockquote data-quote="soberups" data-source="post: 1067397" data-attributes="member: 14668"><p>Your statement is completely <em>false</em>.</p><p></p><p>The AR-15/M-16 rifle design is approximately <strong>50 years old</strong>, as is the .223 cartridge that it fires. The standard ballistics of the .223 round have <em>not</em> changed in that time. </p><p></p><p>The 9mm Parabellum cartridge is <strong>over 100 years old</strong>, dating back to 1902. As with the .223, the standard ballistics of the round have <em>not</em> significantly changed. "High capacity" handguns chambered for this caliber, such as the Browning Hi Power, have been around since the 1930's.</p><p></p><p>50 years ago, it was commonplace for guns to be freely sold in hardware stores and department stores such as Sears and JC Pennys. No background checks or permits were required and no waiting periods were imposed. Guns could also be ordered through the mail, again without <em>any sort</em> of background check being required.</p><p></p><p>55 years ago, my father was a member of his high school <em>rifle team</em>. He and his teammates would ride the bus to school <em>with their rifles and ammunition. </em>Upon arriving at school, they would simply place their rifles in the closet in the principals office and then retrieve them when school was out so that they could ride the bus to the local armory where the shooting matches were held.</p><p></p><p>50 years ago---the guns were basically the same and the ammo was basically the same.</p><p>50 years ago---guns were far <em>easier</em> to obtain without permits or background checks.</p><p></p><p>Those are the <em>facts</em>.</p><p></p><p>If you want to have a discussion about the need to change gun laws, then you need to <em>start</em> by getting your <em>facts</em> straight instead of spewing out a bunch of inaccurate and emotionally charged rhetoric.</p><p></p><p>What has <em>changed</em> in the last 50 years isnt the guns or the ammo...it is the <em>spiritual condition of our nation</em>. 50 years ago, kids <em>werent</em> solving their emotional problems by showing up to school and blowing people away. I dont claim to have any sort of easy solution for such a complex and multifaceted societal problem...but I <em>do</em> know that if laws and permits and restrictions and background checks and limits on magazine capacity were the answer then we wouldnt keep seeing these horrible tragedies unfold.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="soberups, post: 1067397, member: 14668"] Your statement is completely [I]false[/I]. The AR-15/M-16 rifle design is approximately [B]50 years old[/B], as is the .223 cartridge that it fires. The standard ballistics of the .223 round have [I]not[/I] changed in that time. The 9mm Parabellum cartridge is [B]over 100 years old[/B], dating back to 1902. As with the .223, the standard ballistics of the round have [I]not[/I] significantly changed. "High capacity" handguns chambered for this caliber, such as the Browning Hi Power, have been around since the 1930's. 50 years ago, it was commonplace for guns to be freely sold in hardware stores and department stores such as Sears and JC Pennys. No background checks or permits were required and no waiting periods were imposed. Guns could also be ordered through the mail, again without [I]any sort[/I] of background check being required. 55 years ago, my father was a member of his high school [I]rifle team[/I]. He and his teammates would ride the bus to school [I]with their rifles and ammunition. [/I]Upon arriving at school, they would simply place their rifles in the closet in the principals office and then retrieve them when school was out so that they could ride the bus to the local armory where the shooting matches were held. 50 years ago---the guns were basically the same and the ammo was basically the same. 50 years ago---guns were far [I]easier[/I] to obtain without permits or background checks. Those are the [I]facts[/I]. If you want to have a discussion about the need to change gun laws, then you need to [I]start[/I] by getting your [I]facts[/I] straight instead of spewing out a bunch of inaccurate and emotionally charged rhetoric. What has [I]changed[/I] in the last 50 years isnt the guns or the ammo...it is the [I]spiritual condition of our nation[/I]. 50 years ago, kids [I]werent[/I] solving their emotional problems by showing up to school and blowing people away. I dont claim to have any sort of easy solution for such a complex and multifaceted societal problem...but I [I]do[/I] know that if laws and permits and restrictions and background checks and limits on magazine capacity were the answer then we wouldnt keep seeing these horrible tragedies unfold. [/QUOTE]
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