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<blockquote data-quote="anonymous4" data-source="post: 1070505" data-attributes="member: 30532">I am just trying to understand what The Other Side is attempting to grasp at with his whites and gun violence rhetoric. On another note, it can be extremely difficult if not impossible to obtain a CCP in major cities, even as a military vet. The &quot;gun-free zone&quot; is not the worst argument one can make. For instance, the aurora shooter went to a theater that was a gun-free zone, while avoiding closer theaters that were not. Schools are a gun free zone, therefore are an easy target if someone is putting thought into their attack. Other points I see people trying to make include high mag capacity and the &quot;rapid fire&quot; of a &quot;semi-automatic&quot; (huh?). Yet what is conveniently ignored would be the VT massacre which had a higher body count, while the shooter was using handguns. Let a shooter run wild in an area where sheepdogs are banned and the madman can rack up the kill count with a lever action or six shooter if desired. Let&#039;s repeat this, violence is in our hearts as a species, gun violence is just one manifestation amongst thousands. For you to tell me I don&#039;t have a right to self defense against evil that will exist until breakthroughs in mental heath engineering emerge, thousands of years down the line, will result in me laughing hysterically in your face. For when dangerous, perverted humans open fire on innocents I will be the one engaging to save you, my family and myself and if it results in me being killed in the process, I chose to go down fighting and not cowering. If the anti-gun crowd cannot understand the warrior spirit, chances are nothing will change their line of thinking. Until evil men are eradicated, I choose to be armed. Luckily our founding fathers observed this and thought it to be a pretty important issue. That and the whole tyrannical government argument. What foresight and honesty our founders had. Where have the great men gone?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="anonymous4, post: 1070505, member: 30532"] I am just trying to understand what The Other Side is attempting to grasp at with his whites and gun violence rhetoric. On another note, it can be extremely difficult if not impossible to obtain a CCP in major cities, even as a military vet. The "gun-free zone" is not the worst argument one can make. For instance, the aurora shooter went to a theater that was a gun-free zone, while avoiding closer theaters that were not. Schools are a gun free zone, therefore are an easy target if someone is putting thought into their attack. Other points I see people trying to make include high mag capacity and the "rapid fire" of a "semi-automatic" (huh?). Yet what is conveniently ignored would be the VT massacre which had a higher body count, while the shooter was using handguns. Let a shooter run wild in an area where sheepdogs are banned and the madman can rack up the kill count with a lever action or six shooter if desired. Let's repeat this, violence is in our hearts as a species, gun violence is just one manifestation amongst thousands. For you to tell me I don't have a right to self defense against evil that will exist until breakthroughs in mental heath engineering emerge, thousands of years down the line, will result in me laughing hysterically in your face. For when dangerous, perverted humans open fire on innocents I will be the one engaging to save you, my family and myself and if it results in me being killed in the process, I chose to go down fighting and not cowering. If the anti-gun crowd cannot understand the warrior spirit, chances are nothing will change their line of thinking. Until evil men are eradicated, I choose to be armed. Luckily our founding fathers observed this and thought it to be a pretty important issue. That and the whole tyrannical government argument. What foresight and honesty our founders had. Where have the great men gone? [/QUOTE]

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