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<blockquote data-quote="brett636" data-source="post: 1081354" data-attributes="member: 249">The problem I have with the premise of your question is that you are assuming murder rates and violent crime rates are on the rise, when in fact they have been on the decline in this country for along time.&nbsp; <a href="http://www.ebaumsworld.com/video/watch/83000726/" target="_blank">Watch this video to see what I mean</a>.&nbsp; The bottom line is you can&#039;t rid the country of all gun violence or gun deaths anymore than you can stop all auto accidents or swimming pool drownings yet I don&#039;t see anyone calling for banning swimming pools or cars both of which have killed more people than firearms.&nbsp; Whenever the gun debate comes up my philosophical opposition to the gun grabbers argument is that they simply want to tell us that we have too much freedom and therefore it should be stopped or limited.&nbsp; I disagree because crazy people do what crazy people do, and if a murderous psycho path is out to destroy as much life as they can he/she will do so regardless of what tools are available to them.&nbsp; You are right you can&#039;t stop the crazies, but you can identify them before they get a chance to go crazy and end a bunch of innocent lives, and that is where I believe the legislatures and leaders should focus their energy.&nbsp; Not on limiting the god given rights of the populace as a whole, but on identifying the small minority of those who are unbalanced and unstable enough to commit acts like Aurora, Sandy Hook, and Tuscon.&nbsp; Its not that I have too much freedom and shouldn&#039;t be allowed to own an AR15.&nbsp; Its that someone should have intervened before it got to the point that a murderous crazy person has the opportunity to do what the voices in their head is telling them to do.&nbsp; The gun grabbers are the ones who say I shouldn&#039;t be allowed to own an AR15 today, then a Mini 14 tomorrow, then it will be anything semi-automatic, finally it will be no weapon is safe in the hands of a private citizen.&nbsp; We can&#039;t allow ourselves to travel down this slippery slope to disarmament.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="brett636, post: 1081354, member: 249"] The problem I have with the premise of your question is that you are assuming murder rates and violent crime rates are on the rise, when in fact they have been on the decline in this country for along time. [url=http://www.ebaumsworld.com/video/watch/83000726/]Watch this video to see what I mean[/url]. The bottom line is you can't rid the country of all gun violence or gun deaths anymore than you can stop all auto accidents or swimming pool drownings yet I don't see anyone calling for banning swimming pools or cars both of which have killed more people than firearms. Whenever the gun debate comes up my philosophical opposition to the gun grabbers argument is that they simply want to tell us that we have too much freedom and therefore it should be stopped or limited. I disagree because crazy people do what crazy people do, and if a murderous psycho path is out to destroy as much life as they can he/she will do so regardless of what tools are available to them. You are right you can't stop the crazies, but you can identify them before they get a chance to go crazy and end a bunch of innocent lives, and that is where I believe the legislatures and leaders should focus their energy. Not on limiting the god given rights of the populace as a whole, but on identifying the small minority of those who are unbalanced and unstable enough to commit acts like Aurora, Sandy Hook, and Tuscon. Its not that I have too much freedom and shouldn't be allowed to own an AR15. Its that someone should have intervened before it got to the point that a murderous crazy person has the opportunity to do what the voices in their head is telling them to do. The gun grabbers are the ones who say I shouldn't be allowed to own an AR15 today, then a Mini 14 tomorrow, then it will be anything semi-automatic, finally it will be no weapon is safe in the hands of a private citizen. We can't allow ourselves to travel down this slippery slope to disarmament. [/QUOTE]

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