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<blockquote data-quote="soberups" data-source="post: 1115530" data-attributes="member: 14668">Yes.There are other ways to disarm the American public besides an outright ban.Its called &quot;death by a thousand cuts.&quot; Creeping incrementalism. You start out with reasonable-sounding feel-good crap like limits on magazine capacity. First its 15, then its 10, then its 7 like what they just passed in New York. You start taxing ammo or firearm components...slowly at first, but increasing them until shooting becomes unaffordable. You impose requirements for (unaffordable) liability insurance on gun owners. You impose ever more stringent &quot;training&quot; and &quot;mental health testing&quot;. Under the guise of &quot;enviornmental protection&quot; you ban lead ammunition, making it unaffordable. You impose requirements for non existent &quot;smart gun&quot; and &quot;child proof&quot; technology on all new guns that make them either unaffordable or impossible to manufacture. You pass &quot;zoning&quot; or &quot;fire safety&quot; requirements on lawful firearms dealers that has the practical effect of driving them out of business. You bankrupt firearms manufacturers by allowing them to be held financially liable for the criminal misuse of their products. You require useless &quot;microstamping&quot; of ejected casings on all new semi-automatic guns (already passed in CA)that make these guns impossibly expensive to manufacture.None of this is paranoia. Every one of these ridiculous ideas either has been proposed or has already been implemented in places like New York and the Peoples Republik of Kalifornia. Dont tell me &quot;not to worry&quot; about my 2nd Amendment rights just because there doesnt happen to be a liberal supermajority in the Senate at this particular moment. I dont always agree with the NRA, but if it werent for them a lot of these liberal, nanny-state wet dream proposals would be the law by now, and my 2nd Amendment rights would only exist in theory.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="soberups, post: 1115530, member: 14668"] Yes. There are other ways to disarm the American public besides an outright ban. Its called "death by a thousand cuts." Creeping incrementalism. You start out with reasonable-sounding feel-good crap like limits on magazine capacity. First its 15, then its 10, then its 7 like what they just passed in New York. You start taxing ammo or firearm components...slowly at first, but increasing them until shooting becomes unaffordable. You impose requirements for (unaffordable) liability insurance on gun owners. You impose ever more stringent "training" and "mental health testing". Under the guise of "enviornmental protection" you ban lead ammunition, making it unaffordable. You impose requirements for non existent "smart gun" and "child proof" technology on all new guns that make them either unaffordable or impossible to manufacture. You pass "zoning" or "fire safety" requirements on lawful firearms dealers that has the practical effect of driving them out of business. You bankrupt firearms manufacturers by allowing them to be held financially liable for the criminal misuse of their products. You require useless "microstamping" of ejected casings on all new semi-automatic guns (already passed in CA)that make these guns impossibly expensive to manufacture. None of this is paranoia. [I]Every one[/I] of these ridiculous ideas either [I]has[/I] been proposed or [I]has already been implemented[/I] in places like New York and the Peoples Republik of Kalifornia. Dont tell me "not to worry" about my 2nd Amendment rights just because there doesnt happen to be a liberal supermajority in the Senate at this particular moment. I dont always agree with the NRA, but if it werent for them a lot of these liberal, nanny-state wet dream proposals would be [I]the law[/I] by now, and my 2nd Amendment rights would only exist in theory. [/QUOTE]

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