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<blockquote data-quote="soberups" data-source="post: 1218473" data-attributes="member: 14668">1. The theater in Aurora was a posted &quot;gun free&quot; zone.2. In Oregon, 1 out of every 15 citizens is licensed to carry a concealed weapon. Assuming for the sake of convenience that Colorado has a similar percentage, and recognizing that not all people with permits carry at all times, then it is statistcally unlikely that more than one or two of the theater-goers in Aurora were armed, especially in light of the fact that, unlike in Oregon, the &quot;gun free zone&quot; stickers on the doors of the theater negated the validity of their permits. Per Colorado law, even a permit holder would have been violating the law by being armed in that theater.3. It is naive and downright stupid to assume that the patrons of a theater would somehow be &quot;safer&quot; if none of them had the ability to shoot back at a lunatic with a high capacity weapon and a premeditated intent to commit mass murder. Taking all the guns away from the good guys means that only the bad guys have them. The absolute inability of the liberal mind to comprehend this most basic fact never ceases to amaze me. To quote a book that both you and I have read....&quot;the persistence of this illusion is astonishing&quot; and as a society we have continued pursuing it to the gates of insanity and death.4. What of the schools? In the face of what seems like an unending stream of school shootings, do we continue wallowing in the pathetic fantasy that our children will somehow be safer if their teachers continue to be unarmed and helpless? Do we continue relying on &quot;gun free zone&quot; signs and feel-good laws that the murderers will continue to simply ignore? Or do we consider the idea that perhaps a new approach to school safety...involving trained and armed teachers.... ought to be at least discussed with an open mind?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="soberups, post: 1218473, member: 14668"] 1. The theater in Aurora was a posted "gun free" zone. 2. In Oregon, 1 out of every 15 citizens is licensed to carry a concealed weapon. Assuming for the sake of convenience that Colorado has a similar percentage, and recognizing that not all people with permits carry at all times, then it is statistcally unlikely that more than one or two of the theater-goers in Aurora were armed, especially in light of the fact that, unlike in Oregon, the "gun free zone" stickers on the doors of the theater negated the validity of their permits. Per Colorado law, even a permit holder would have been violating the law by being armed in that theater. 3. It is naive and downright stupid to assume that the patrons of a theater would somehow be "safer" if [I]none[/I] of them had the ability to shoot back at a lunatic with a high capacity weapon and a premeditated intent to commit mass murder. [B]Taking all the guns away from the good guys means that only the bad guys have them.[/B] The absolute inability of the liberal mind to comprehend this most basic fact never ceases to amaze me. To quote a book that both you and I have read...."the persistence of this illusion is astonishing" and as a society we have continued pursuing it to the gates of insanity and death. 4. What of the schools? In the face of what seems like an unending stream of school shootings, do we continue wallowing in the pathetic fantasy that our children will somehow be safer if their teachers continue to be unarmed and helpless? Do we continue relying on "gun free zone" signs and feel-good laws that the murderers will continue to simply ignore? Or do we consider the idea that perhaps a new approach to school safety...involving trained and armed teachers.... ought to be at least discussed with an open mind? [/QUOTE]

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