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<blockquote data-quote="soberups" data-source="post: 1342765" data-attributes="member: 14668">If the default position of the people I am &quot;negotiating&quot; with is that I should not have any rights at all, then we really don&#039;t have anything to negotiate about in the first place.The definition of insanity is repeating the same action over and over while expecting a different result. &quot;Gun free zones&quot; don&#039;t work. They didn&#039;t work at Thurston, they didn&#039;t work at Columbine, they didn&#039;t work at Virginia Tech, they didn&#039;t work at the theater in Aurora, they didn&#039;t work at Sandy Hook, they didn&#039;t work at UCSB, and they didn&#039;t work the other day at Reynolds High school less than an hour from my home. Banning guns hasn&#039;t prevented Chicago from having one of the highest gun crime rates in the nation. Bans don&#039;t work. Magazine capacity restrictions don&#039;t work. Banning cosmetic features such as pistol grips and flash suppressors on so-called &quot;assault weapons&quot; don&#039;t work. I guess I don&#039;t see any point in &quot;negotiating&quot; with people who aren&#039;t willing to do anything but continue pushing for more and more laws and bans and restrictions that don&#039;t work.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="soberups, post: 1342765, member: 14668"] If the default position of the people I am "negotiating" with is that I should not have any rights at all, then we really don't have anything to negotiate about in the first place. The definition of insanity is repeating the same action over and over while expecting a different result. "Gun free zones"[B] don't work[/B]. They [B]didn't work[/B] at Thurston, they[B] didn't work[/B] at Columbine, they[B] didn't work[/B] at Virginia Tech, they[B] didn't work[/B] at the theater in Aurora, they [B]didn't work[/B] at Sandy Hook, they [B]didn't work[/B] at UCSB, and they [B]didn't work[/B] the other day at Reynolds High school less than an hour from my home. Banning guns hasn't prevented Chicago from having one of the[I] highest gun crime rates in the nation[/I]. Bans [B]don't work[/B]. Magazine capacity restrictions[B] don't work[/B]. Banning cosmetic features such as pistol grips and flash suppressors on so-called "assault weapons" [B]don't work[/B]. I guess I don't see any point in "negotiating" with people who aren't willing to do anything but continue pushing for more and more laws and bans and restrictions that [B]don't work[/B]. [/QUOTE]

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