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<blockquote data-quote="wkmac" data-source="post: 646584" data-attributes="member: 2189"><p>Upstate,</p><p> </p><p>I wasn't gonna even respond to this thread at all until I saw Island's comments to you. I own guns myself, several pistols but like you I never carry and never have. Never had a carry permit because never saw the need and still don't even with Obama as President. Nor did I rush out and buy 50 more guns or a tractor trailer load of ammo. "The Sky is Falling! The Sky is Falling!" </p><p><img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/FeltTip/happy-very.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":happy-very:" title="Happy Very :happy-very:" data-shortname=":happy-very:" /> </p><p> </p><p>Besides I reload so what the hey!<img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/FeltTip/wink.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":wink2:" title="Wink :wink2:" data-shortname=":wink2:" /></p><p> </p><p>I just wanted to say publically I respect a lot of what you said after reading the later comments made to you. I stand with you in defending and championing your beliefs and my heart felt for your family tragedy. Gun owners need to get it through their thick skulls that their right doesn't extend everywhere including onto another person's property and yes that extends to the employer's property too. Their right to their property trumps your right to bare arms every "friend'ing" time. If you don't ask, seek permission or make property owner aware, you are dishonoring property rights and comitting a fraud. If said property owner sez no to firearms and you do so anyway, you've committed a fraud and should suffer what befalls you.</p><p> </p><p>If gunowners were true they'd <a href="http://opencarry.org/" target="_blank"><span style="color: red">open carry</span> </a>and then any property owner (business) could defend their own rights and either tell you to leave or continue business. No shoes, No shirt, No service. Same is true of any person who could then choose to interact with you or not. You are enjoying your right while respecting the rights of others in their person, property and/or beliefs. It's an extension of my belief in no force/no fraud. </p><p> </p><p>And a lot of <a href="http://www.sandiegoreader.com/news/2009/jul/15/cover/" target="_blank"><span style="color: red">jurisdictions</span></a> allow open carry with no permission required or needed by the State but that right ends once you leave the public space or your private domain and then becomes a priviledge based on the consent of a privater property owner. Now there's your true right so practice it not bowing down to some State taxeater begging for a permission slip to hide-a-gun. As you might guess I'm not exactly pro conceal carry mostly because to grovel at the State for momma's permission. </p><p> </p><p>I'm a believer if you carry, do so in the open as I would if I carried. Besides, a crook walks into a business to do harm and sees half the clientel openly carrying, you think that crook will consider a change of afternoon plans?</p><p> </p><p> </p><p>Nuff said!</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="wkmac, post: 646584, member: 2189"] Upstate, I wasn't gonna even respond to this thread at all until I saw Island's comments to you. I own guns myself, several pistols but like you I never carry and never have. Never had a carry permit because never saw the need and still don't even with Obama as President. Nor did I rush out and buy 50 more guns or a tractor trailer load of ammo. "The Sky is Falling! The Sky is Falling!" :happy-very: Besides I reload so what the hey!:wink2: I just wanted to say publically I respect a lot of what you said after reading the later comments made to you. I stand with you in defending and championing your beliefs and my heart felt for your family tragedy. Gun owners need to get it through their thick skulls that their right doesn't extend everywhere including onto another person's property and yes that extends to the employer's property too. Their right to their property trumps your right to bare arms every "friend'ing" time. If you don't ask, seek permission or make property owner aware, you are dishonoring property rights and comitting a fraud. If said property owner sez no to firearms and you do so anyway, you've committed a fraud and should suffer what befalls you. If gunowners were true they'd [URL="http://opencarry.org/"][COLOR=red]open carry[/COLOR] [/URL]and then any property owner (business) could defend their own rights and either tell you to leave or continue business. No shoes, No shirt, No service. Same is true of any person who could then choose to interact with you or not. You are enjoying your right while respecting the rights of others in their person, property and/or beliefs. It's an extension of my belief in no force/no fraud. And a lot of [URL="http://www.sandiegoreader.com/news/2009/jul/15/cover/"][COLOR=red]jurisdictions[/COLOR][/URL] allow open carry with no permission required or needed by the State but that right ends once you leave the public space or your private domain and then becomes a priviledge based on the consent of a privater property owner. Now there's your true right so practice it not bowing down to some State taxeater begging for a permission slip to hide-a-gun. As you might guess I'm not exactly pro conceal carry mostly because to grovel at the State for momma's permission. I'm a believer if you carry, do so in the open as I would if I carried. Besides, a crook walks into a business to do harm and sees half the clientel openly carrying, you think that crook will consider a change of afternoon plans? Nuff said! [/QUOTE]
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