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<blockquote data-quote="bbsam" data-source="post: 801321" data-attributes="member: 22662"><p>I understand what you are saying and to a large degree I agree.&nbsp; I&#039;m not looking to add laws, I&#039;m trying to figure out how to enforce the one&#039;s we have.&nbsp; Since your screen name denotes it and and I&#039;ve been quite open about it myself, take our examples.&nbsp; You and I suffered from a pretty hellish disease, one that to this very day is often misunderstood, but one that I think we can agree affected &quot;body, mind, and spirit&quot;.&nbsp; Bill W. himself suggested it was a malady we may only be able to overcome through a &quot;spiritual experience&quot;.&nbsp; Think about that for a moment.&nbsp; Even what we claim as a solution would be viewed by some around here as the ravings of some kind of religious lunatic.&nbsp; Are people who don&#039;t even believe in God or a Higher Power supposed to believe that I am now a stable member of society?&nbsp; So the question is two-fold, sober.&nbsp; First, in my drunken and drug abusing days, and in your drunken nights showing horrible judgement (I assume you drove in that contition) should we have had our Constitutional right infringed upon?&nbsp; Or do I just get around it by lying about my &quot;habit&quot;?&nbsp; And second, after &quot;recovery&quot; why should continue to allow this right to people who have shown such horrible judgement because now they&#039;ve &quot;found God&quot;?</p></blockquote><p></p>

[QUOTE="bbsam, post: 801321, member: 22662"] I understand what you are saying and to a large degree I agree. I'm not looking to add laws, I'm trying to figure out how to enforce the one's we have. Since your screen name denotes it and and I've been quite open about it myself, take our examples. You and I suffered from a pretty hellish disease, one that to this very day is often misunderstood, but one that I think we can agree affected "body, mind, and spirit". Bill W. himself suggested it was a malady we may only be able to overcome through a "spiritual experience". Think about that for a moment. Even what we claim as a solution would be viewed by some around here as the ravings of some kind of religious lunatic. Are people who don't even believe in God or a Higher Power supposed to believe that I am now a stable member of society? So the question is two-fold, sober. First, in my drunken and drug abusing days, and in your drunken nights showing horrible judgement (I assume you drove in that contition) should we have had our Constitutional right infringed upon? Or do I just get around it by lying about my "habit"? And second, after "recovery" why should continue to allow this right to people who have shown such horrible judgement because now they've "found God"? [/QUOTE]

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