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<blockquote data-quote="soberups" data-source="post: 803716" data-attributes="member: 14668">I misspoke, and you are probably corrrect that the total number of gun fatalities exceeds the number of drunk driving deaths per year.&nbsp;For a fair comparison of gun vs. alcohol deaths, however, you would first have to subtract suicides as well as justifible (self defense) shootings from the total number of gun deaths. You would also have to subtract the gun deaths that were a result of someone being drunk. And you would also have to factor in the number of murders that were prevented due to the intended victim being armed with a gun.&nbsp;And on the alcohol side of the equation, if you add in the fatalities that result from other types of drunken accidents (boating, swimming, dirt biking, overall stupidity) as well as the murders, suicides, and crimes that are a direct result of alcohol intoxication, plus all of the chronic diseases (chirrosis, ulcers, alcoholic dementia)that result from alcoholism....it is indisputable that far more people die from alcohol than from guns.&nbsp;So we are right back to the original point I was trying to make. If preventing crimes and saving lives is an adequate justification for banning guns, then it would be equally justifiable to ban alcohol.&nbsp;Whats it going to be, Klien? You cant have it both ways. Are you willing to give up your right to keep and bear alcohol in order to save lives, or do you only want to ban the choices that other people make?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="soberups, post: 803716, member: 14668"] I misspoke, and you are probably corrrect that the total number of gun fatalities exceeds the number of drunk [B][I][U]driving[/U][/I][/B] deaths per year. For a [B]fair[/B] comparison of gun vs. alcohol deaths, however, you would first have to subtract suicides as well as justifible (self defense) shootings from the total number of gun deaths. You would [I]also[/I] have to subtract the gun deaths that were a result of someone being drunk. And you would [I]also[/I] have to factor in the number of murders that were [I]prevented [/I]due to the intended victim being armed with a gun. And on the alcohol side of the equation, if you add in the fatalities that result from [I]other[/I] types of drunken accidents (boating, swimming, dirt biking, overall stupidity) as well as the murders, suicides, and crimes that are a [I]direct result[/I] of alcohol intoxication, plus all of the chronic [I]diseases[/I] (chirrosis, ulcers, alcoholic dementia)that result from alcoholism....it is indisputable that [B]far more people die from alcohol than from guns.[/B] So we are right back to the original point I was trying to make. [B]If preventing crimes and saving lives is an adequate justification for banning guns, then it would be [I]equally justifiable to ban alcohol.[/I][/B] Whats it going to be, Klien? You cant have it both ways. Are you willing to give up [B][I]your[/I][/B] right to keep and bear alcohol in order to save lives, or do you only want to ban the choices that [I]other[/I] people make? [/QUOTE]

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