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<blockquote data-quote="The Other Side" data-source="post: 945788" data-attributes="member: 17969"><p>Sober,</p><p></p><p>I am happy to answer. I do not support alcohol, bars, hard liquor or liquor stores. Since there creation, alcohol has harmed this country in many ways. Alcohol was used to weaken the indians of this country to the point where 90% of all indians on reservations are alcoholics. Alcohol has killed thousands of teens, thousands of adults, thousands of hard working americans who are the victims of alcoholics who never seek treatment or accept that they are alcoholics.</p><p></p><p>I dont patronize liquor stores for anything and cheer when I see one close. Alcohol has never been a part of my life other than the time I was hit by a drunk driver in 1981. I suffered serious injuries and it took 5 years to end that case. The drunk was a three time convicted drunk driver who was just released driving without a license when he hit me. Since then, I have hated alcohol as much as guns.</p><p></p><p>Both GUNS and ALCOHOL are the biggest threats to this country. More than terrorists. Al Qaeda has killed 3000 civilians in terror attacks and guns and alcohol has killed millions.</p><p></p><p>If you throw in cigarettes, that number doubles.</p><p></p><p>I would like to see alcohol banned at stadiums, concerts and racetracks. I dont think its a part of any sport to be drunk while watching. Kinda defeats the purpose of watching if someone is in a altered state and cant comprehend whats going on only to end up stumbling out of a ballpark acting like a fool and possibly getting into a fight with someone who isnt drunk, Its the same story at all ballparks, and it makes people like me not want to go to a game. The last thing I want to be near, see or interact with is a DRUNK.</p><p></p><p>With respect to this school shooting, why is it that gun owners like yourself dont condemn the parents for owning guns and leaving them out where a troubled child who was already in a "continuation" school because of troubles, could get them with ease, along with the ammo, and then go to a high school where he was NOT A STUDENT and shoot up innocent students who had nothing to do with him?</p><p></p><p>Why are the gun OWNERS left out of the conversation? Why is the conversation only limited to the shooter and not the circumstances on how he obtained the weapons and ammo?</p><p></p><p>Ill tell you why.</p><p></p><p>Its because GUN owners FEAR that legislation and regulation will come out of it. Like MANDATORY locking up of weapons, trigger locks, separation of ammo. Thats why in school shootings, the GUN is left out and the focus changed to the victims.</p><p></p><p>Someone on this board made a claim that they sleep with a gun under their pillow, and if they had children, and one of those children was troubled and placed in a "continuation" school for troubled youth, then that gun is ripe for a tragedy.</p><p></p><p>As in this case, this kid was kicked out of the high school he shot up and placed in a continuation school for troubled kids, He had anger issues and most likely placed blame on students of that high school for his problems. His parents made it easy for him to settle his grievances by having guns in the first place. GUNS that were probably purchased under the auspices of self protection and owned because of the percieved second amendment rights. But as in the majority of cases, those guns purchased for self protection ended up taking the lives of innocent people.</p><p></p><p>GUNS only create victims, not heros.</p><p></p><p>I am sure this kids home life was no picnic. It will be interesting to see if this kids home life included alcoholic parents and discourse between his parents. It usually is the case.</p><p></p><p>There are alot more people who hate guns than myself, its just on this board where my position is in the minority. I can deal with that. It doesnt mean the rest of you are correct, it just means that there is an opposition to the majority.</p><p></p><p>I hate guns as ive said many times. I will never believe that we need to live like the taliban, or the people of iraq walking around with rifles and such just to live.</p><p></p><p>This isnt my america.</p><p><img src="http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/41367000/jpg/_41367112_guns416.jpg" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></p><p></p><p>Peace.</p><p></p><p>TOS</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="The Other Side, post: 945788, member: 17969"] Sober, I am happy to answer. I do not support alcohol, bars, hard liquor or liquor stores. Since there creation, alcohol has harmed this country in many ways. Alcohol was used to weaken the indians of this country to the point where 90% of all indians on reservations are alcoholics. Alcohol has killed thousands of teens, thousands of adults, thousands of hard working americans who are the victims of alcoholics who never seek treatment or accept that they are alcoholics. I dont patronize liquor stores for anything and cheer when I see one close. Alcohol has never been a part of my life other than the time I was hit by a drunk driver in 1981. I suffered serious injuries and it took 5 years to end that case. The drunk was a three time convicted drunk driver who was just released driving without a license when he hit me. Since then, I have hated alcohol as much as guns. Both GUNS and ALCOHOL are the biggest threats to this country. More than terrorists. Al Qaeda has killed 3000 civilians in terror attacks and guns and alcohol has killed millions. If you throw in cigarettes, that number doubles. I would like to see alcohol banned at stadiums, concerts and racetracks. I dont think its a part of any sport to be drunk while watching. Kinda defeats the purpose of watching if someone is in a altered state and cant comprehend whats going on only to end up stumbling out of a ballpark acting like a fool and possibly getting into a fight with someone who isnt drunk, Its the same story at all ballparks, and it makes people like me not want to go to a game. The last thing I want to be near, see or interact with is a DRUNK. With respect to this school shooting, why is it that gun owners like yourself dont condemn the parents for owning guns and leaving them out where a troubled child who was already in a "continuation" school because of troubles, could get them with ease, along with the ammo, and then go to a high school where he was NOT A STUDENT and shoot up innocent students who had nothing to do with him? Why are the gun OWNERS left out of the conversation? Why is the conversation only limited to the shooter and not the circumstances on how he obtained the weapons and ammo? Ill tell you why. Its because GUN owners FEAR that legislation and regulation will come out of it. Like MANDATORY locking up of weapons, trigger locks, separation of ammo. Thats why in school shootings, the GUN is left out and the focus changed to the victims. Someone on this board made a claim that they sleep with a gun under their pillow, and if they had children, and one of those children was troubled and placed in a "continuation" school for troubled youth, then that gun is ripe for a tragedy. As in this case, this kid was kicked out of the high school he shot up and placed in a continuation school for troubled kids, He had anger issues and most likely placed blame on students of that high school for his problems. His parents made it easy for him to settle his grievances by having guns in the first place. GUNS that were probably purchased under the auspices of self protection and owned because of the percieved second amendment rights. But as in the majority of cases, those guns purchased for self protection ended up taking the lives of innocent people. GUNS only create victims, not heros. I am sure this kids home life was no picnic. It will be interesting to see if this kids home life included alcoholic parents and discourse between his parents. It usually is the case. There are alot more people who hate guns than myself, its just on this board where my position is in the minority. I can deal with that. It doesnt mean the rest of you are correct, it just means that there is an opposition to the majority. I hate guns as ive said many times. I will never believe that we need to live like the taliban, or the people of iraq walking around with rifles and such just to live. This isnt my america. [IMG]http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/41367000/jpg/_41367112_guns416.jpg[/IMG] Peace. TOS [/QUOTE]
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