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<blockquote data-quote="soberups" data-source="post: 998309" data-attributes="member: 14668"><p>If you want empirical data, compare the violent crime rate in Chicago vs that in Vermont. In Chicago, carry permits are unavailable and handgun ownership has only recently become legal again thanks to the NRA. In Vermont, you dont even <em>need</em> a permit to carry a concealed handgun, yet for some strange reason Vermont has one of the <em>lowest</em> violent crime rates in the nation. You could also compare the crime rates in California (strict gun regulations, carry permits denied in most urban areas) versus neighboring Arizona which, like Vermont, has far fewer gun laws and allows concealed carry <em>without</em> a license.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="soberups, post: 998309, member: 14668"] If you want empirical data, compare the violent crime rate in Chicago vs that in Vermont. In Chicago, carry permits are unavailable and handgun ownership has only recently become legal again thanks to the NRA. In Vermont, you dont even [I]need[/I] a permit to carry a concealed handgun, yet for some strange reason Vermont has one of the [I]lowest[/I] violent crime rates in the nation. You could also compare the crime rates in California (strict gun regulations, carry permits denied in most urban areas) versus neighboring Arizona which, like Vermont, has far fewer gun laws and allows concealed carry [I]without[/I] a license. [/QUOTE]
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