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<blockquote data-quote="GeorgiaBrown" data-source="post: 592905" data-attributes="member: 24716"><p>Tieguy and Otherside,</p><p> </p><p>I recognize that you have doubts in this situation....having said that I think you are misinformed about of couple of things.</p><p> </p><p>To start you said <span style="color: sienna">"You said in teh begining that this stop was always closed on that day and yet, now you say you pulled up, walked up and tried the door only to sheet it as cloH? Why then not clo 1 if you made an actual delivery attempt." </span><span style="color: black">Yes the stop was always closed that day and the way that I knew it was closed is because I read the sign on the door after I took the package to the door and tried to gain entry. This is not hard to understand. I have stated that this stop was an infrequent recipient of deliveries....(approximately ten or fewer times in five years) I was not familiar with their hours of operation hence my attempt at their door..... when I realized (after reading the sign that they were not open on Fridays) I sheeted the pkg as closed holiday.</span></p><p> </p><p>Second part to that.......I was not aware that no credit was given for sheeting a package as CLOH..... If I had been aware that I have been cheating myself out of time all of these years I certainly would have been more reluctant to have done so.....(notice the word <span style="color: sienna"><em>reluctant</em></span>, that means I had no question in my mind that sheeting packages CLOH was any attempt at dishonesty) I am not sure that you are correct on this either....When I sheet a package a CLOH my stop count increases and the piece(s) go into my tally for the days work....not like when a package is sheeted as Missed for instance.</p><p> </p><p>You stated further <span style="color: sienna">"However, if you indeed went thru the trouble of walking up and trying the doorknob, why not then indirect the package and leave a note?" <span style="color: #000000">As I said in an earlier post it really was not any trouble at all to make this delivery attempt..... the front door is only about 30 from the street, I park in the street to make the delivery and the package was neither bulky, heavy or time constrained (made attempt at 11:52, when 3:00 was commit time) as for indirecting.... it is a museum so therefore it is set back from any nearby locations for indirecting (nearest location would be across the street which is a 3 lane one way with pretty heavy traffic volume speed limit 45, that location is also one which is often closed however..... it is a lawyers office and he is often in court. No secretary).... it has a large side parking lot and a fairly large landscaped yard surrounding the building.....having said that I did not really attempt to redirect this package, actually I did not even consider it....... taking into account it's location and the likelihood of finding a nearby location to leave it....how is that for honesty?</span></span></p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p><span style="color: sienna"><span style="color: black"><strong><span style="color: blue"><u>I appreciate the feedback.</u></span></strong> Once again if I can just get the GPS information which will show without doubt that I was where I said I was during the time in question then this issue should be resolved.....</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: sienna"><span style="color: #000000">The discharge (termination letter) says "dishonesty".......nothing else....my previous displinary issues were brought up by the Division HR Manager during the local hearing just so he could be able to bring that to the table if and when this goes to panel... but no my discharge just said dishonesty.</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: sienna"><span style="color: #000000">As far as documented training, I could not tell you what training they have on record for me.... I try not to think much about UPS and their brown centered universe when I am not at work. I have a wife, a 4 year old son, am a landlord, a junior in college and an expectant father for the second time (february). My plate is/was full so I try not to concern myself with UPS when I am not in browns.</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: sienna"><span style="color: #000000">As one final thought.... try looking at the whole CLOH vs CLO1 situation like this..... try the customers perspective.... that is what we are supposed to be about right?..... the customer maintains a schedule which only has them working 3,4 days of what <strong><em><u><span style="color: red">we </span></u></em></strong>consider a normal work week. They work days (Saturday, Sunday) which we do not...regardless of whether I sheet the package as CLO1, CLOH, CAN'T GET OFF THE CRAPPER, OR WHATEVER DESIGNATION YOU CHOOSE that does not mean the customer is going to be open to receive the package (with the disputed exception of this one case, which ain't bad considersing how many I have sheeted this way over the last five plus years) maybe UPS should have a option called CLOWEEKEND because <span style="color: red"><strong><u><em>regardless of what UPS wants to call it that is what it is for the customer</em></u></strong></span> and the closest option available to me to describe what the circumstances are is CLOH.....so if anything I guess I am guilty of super honesty.... and God forbid we don't want any of that going on around here..... </span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: #000000">Having said all of that..... I will sheet the packages however in the hell UPS wants them sheeted from now on if I am lucky enough to get my job back.</span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="GeorgiaBrown, post: 592905, member: 24716"] Tieguy and Otherside, I recognize that you have doubts in this situation....having said that I think you are misinformed about of couple of things. To start you said [COLOR=sienna]"You said in teh begining that this stop was always closed on that day and yet, now you say you pulled up, walked up and tried the door only to sheet it as cloH? Why then not clo 1 if you made an actual delivery attempt." [/COLOR][COLOR=black]Yes the stop was always closed that day and the way that I knew it was closed is because I read the sign on the door after I took the package to the door and tried to gain entry. This is not hard to understand. I have stated that this stop was an infrequent recipient of deliveries....(approximately ten or fewer times in five years) I was not familiar with their hours of operation hence my attempt at their door..... when I realized (after reading the sign that they were not open on Fridays) I sheeted the pkg as closed holiday.[/COLOR] Second part to that.......I was not aware that no credit was given for sheeting a package as CLOH..... If I had been aware that I have been cheating myself out of time all of these years I certainly would have been more reluctant to have done so.....(notice the word [COLOR=sienna][I]reluctant[/I][/COLOR], that means I had no question in my mind that sheeting packages CLOH was any attempt at dishonesty) I am not sure that you are correct on this either....When I sheet a package a CLOH my stop count increases and the piece(s) go into my tally for the days work....not like when a package is sheeted as Missed for instance. You stated further [COLOR=sienna]"However, if you indeed went thru the trouble of walking up and trying the doorknob, why not then indirect the package and leave a note?" [COLOR=#000000]As I said in an earlier post it really was not any trouble at all to make this delivery attempt..... the front door is only about 30 from the street, I park in the street to make the delivery and the package was neither bulky, heavy or time constrained (made attempt at 11:52, when 3:00 was commit time) as for indirecting.... it is a museum so therefore it is set back from any nearby locations for indirecting (nearest location would be across the street which is a 3 lane one way with pretty heavy traffic volume speed limit 45, that location is also one which is often closed however..... it is a lawyers office and he is often in court. No secretary).... it has a large side parking lot and a fairly large landscaped yard surrounding the building.....having said that I did not really attempt to redirect this package, actually I did not even consider it....... taking into account it's location and the likelihood of finding a nearby location to leave it....how is that for honesty?[/COLOR][/COLOR] [COLOR=sienna][COLOR=black][B][COLOR=blue][U]I appreciate the feedback.[/U][/COLOR][/B] Once again if I can just get the GPS information which will show without doubt that I was where I said I was during the time in question then this issue should be resolved.....[/COLOR][/COLOR] [COLOR=sienna][COLOR=#000000]The discharge (termination letter) says "dishonesty".......nothing else....my previous displinary issues were brought up by the Division HR Manager during the local hearing just so he could be able to bring that to the table if and when this goes to panel... but no my discharge just said dishonesty.[/COLOR][/COLOR] [COLOR=sienna][COLOR=#000000]As far as documented training, I could not tell you what training they have on record for me.... I try not to think much about UPS and their brown centered universe when I am not at work. I have a wife, a 4 year old son, am a landlord, a junior in college and an expectant father for the second time (february). My plate is/was full so I try not to concern myself with UPS when I am not in browns.[/COLOR][/COLOR] [COLOR=sienna][COLOR=#000000]As one final thought.... try looking at the whole CLOH vs CLO1 situation like this..... try the customers perspective.... that is what we are supposed to be about right?..... the customer maintains a schedule which only has them working 3,4 days of what [B][I][U][COLOR=red]we [/COLOR][/U][/I][/B]consider a normal work week. They work days (Saturday, Sunday) which we do not...regardless of whether I sheet the package as CLO1, CLOH, CAN'T GET OFF THE CRAPPER, OR WHATEVER DESIGNATION YOU CHOOSE that does not mean the customer is going to be open to receive the package (with the disputed exception of this one case, which ain't bad considersing how many I have sheeted this way over the last five plus years) maybe UPS should have a option called CLOWEEKEND because [COLOR=red][B][U][I]regardless of what UPS wants to call it that is what it is for the customer[/I][/U][/B][/COLOR] and the closest option available to me to describe what the circumstances are is CLOH.....so if anything I guess I am guilty of super honesty.... and God forbid we don't want any of that going on around here..... [/COLOR][/COLOR] [COLOR=#000000]Having said all of that..... I will sheet the packages however in the hell UPS wants them sheeted from now on if I am lucky enough to get my job back.[/COLOR] [/QUOTE]
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