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<blockquote data-quote="wkmac" data-source="post: 114202" data-attributes="member: 2189"><p>Teamster,</p><p>What you say about any122 may or may not be true but I think it's fair to say that at the least he/she is nothing more than a mouthpiece for the APWA and if not for that, he/she would not be here at all.</p><p> </p><p>Now with that said I do have to take some exception with the rest of your comments. Prior to open elections, our union was controlled by a hierarchy of embedded leaders who were so bad and corrupt that the US gov't (for the record IMO a just as corrupt organization) had to place the IBT for all practical purposes into recievership in order to control the mass corruption. Since then, we've had a reform slate leader elected (Carey) who was also bounced from office because of corruption and now more and more allegations are surfacing that brings question towards Hoffa and I'm not convinced Leedham is any better over the longhaul. </p><p> </p><p>No matter where you go within this organizationm the stench and filth of corruption is there and continues to move forward unabated. Even the US Gov't is unwilling to end it's oversight. With all due respect to your point, Any122's point of order on IBT corruption is completely valid and with merit when the track record of this union is placed beside it's history.</p><p> </p><p>I'm not convinced life at UPS without a union could be done but I'm not convinced that the only union for UPSers is the IBT either. Some say "union first" and specifically "Teamster First" but I say <strong><em>"UPSers First"</em></strong> and if the Teamsters fit into that equation then fine, if not? Time to fit something else in instead and who better to do this than a UPS employee union! Whether the APWA fits that bill or not I'll let each decide that for themselves but at the very least Van Skillman and Danny Eason were courageous enough the ask that all important question that each of us at UPS covered under collective bargaining should be asking ourselves in light of events over the last 10 plus year and that question is....</p><p> </p><p><span style="font-size: 15px"><strong><em>What If?</em></strong></span></p><p> </p><p>JMHO</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="wkmac, post: 114202, member: 2189"] Teamster, What you say about any122 may or may not be true but I think it's fair to say that at the least he/she is nothing more than a mouthpiece for the APWA and if not for that, he/she would not be here at all. Now with that said I do have to take some exception with the rest of your comments. Prior to open elections, our union was controlled by a hierarchy of embedded leaders who were so bad and corrupt that the US gov't (for the record IMO a just as corrupt organization) had to place the IBT for all practical purposes into recievership in order to control the mass corruption. Since then, we've had a reform slate leader elected (Carey) who was also bounced from office because of corruption and now more and more allegations are surfacing that brings question towards Hoffa and I'm not convinced Leedham is any better over the longhaul. No matter where you go within this organizationm the stench and filth of corruption is there and continues to move forward unabated. Even the US Gov't is unwilling to end it's oversight. With all due respect to your point, Any122's point of order on IBT corruption is completely valid and with merit when the track record of this union is placed beside it's history. I'm not convinced life at UPS without a union could be done but I'm not convinced that the only union for UPSers is the IBT either. Some say "union first" and specifically "Teamster First" but I say [B][I]"UPSers First"[/I][/B] and if the Teamsters fit into that equation then fine, if not? Time to fit something else in instead and who better to do this than a UPS employee union! Whether the APWA fits that bill or not I'll let each decide that for themselves but at the very least Van Skillman and Danny Eason were courageous enough the ask that all important question that each of us at UPS covered under collective bargaining should be asking ourselves in light of events over the last 10 plus year and that question is.... [SIZE=4][B][I]What If?[/I][/B][/SIZE] JMHO [/QUOTE]
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