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<blockquote data-quote="browned out" data-source="post: 3751900" data-attributes="member: 8105"><p>We are prepared to opt out of the Hoffa union because they are using our dues money in order to get rid of "problem employees". Many of us have been subjected to the terrible life changing retribution and retaliation from Hoffa/UPS coordinated targeting of drivers and other UPS employees. Read this case Atkinson Hearing Reveals Disturbing Relationship Between UPS And Teamsters | bringbackthefight Atckinson's case is not unique. It has happened to dozens if not 100s of UPSers. Most have lost their livelihoods. I would say 99% are no longer working at UPS due to Union UPS collusion. 1% or less of us have been able to defeat UPS and the Teamsters. When you have a corrupt union; it is worse than no union. We are paying these Hoffa cronies $100,000 + so that they and UPS can take our livelihoods? When you have a union that does not take any action against people like Betty Rose Fisher; there is a major problem....a cancer.</p><p></p><p>I have been a staunch union supporter for decades. I still am and always will be. But I will no longer support this corrupt union if this contract is passed without major changes. All 4 of my Grandparents were union employees. 2 at the Big 3 Auto Companies, Another at a major telecommunications company, and the other a coal miner. My father was a union carpenter. My father and grandmother find it reprehensible what is going on with Fiat/UAW <a href="https://www.freep.com/story/money/cars/chrysler/2018/08/27/possible-legal-trouble-fiat-chrysler-uaw-training-center-scandal/1075814002/" target="_blank">How much legal trouble could Fiat Chrysler, UAW face in scandal?</a> and UPS/Teamsters.</p><p></p><p>If I was only thinking about myself and what the Teamsters did to me and my family; I would have opted out years ago. I would have filed a failure to fulfill a duty of fair representation case that i could have easily won. My union allegiances were too strong. It was bigger than me.</p><p></p><p>If this was about the Hoffa Teamsters being complicit in strategically targeting 100's of employees by colluding with UPS; I would have opted out years ago. It was bigger than just the 100's of us.</p><p></p><p>But now; this is a lot bigger than me or the 100s like me who the Hoffa Teamsters have thrown under the bus and then backed the bus over us. UPS is driving the bus and Hoffa is resting his head in UPS's lap. And now they are not attempting to run a few hundred of us over; they are trying to run 10s of 1000's of us over. All the while; telling us they have our best interests at hand. The hypocrisy is grotesque. We will not pay these butt puppets for selling a whole generation of 22.4s down the river.</p><p></p><p></p><p>If 100's or 1000's of us do opt out; we will send our dues $ to the O'Brien/Zuckerman's campaigns....or for that matter to any of the many other Teamster locals that actually do their FN job.</p><p></p><p>No one that I know wants to opt out. But there are 1000's that will.</p><p></p><p>Hopefully, after a strong no vote; these hypocritical, disgraced, pieces of garbage will actually fight for ALL the members.</p><p></p><p><a href="https://www.teamstersunited.org/hoffa-corruption" target="_blank">The Hoffa-Hall Corruption Concessions Connection</a></p><p></p><p>So for now; keep sending your hard earned money to these criminals in the red vests; those that voted over 80% for Hoffa at the delegation. We the members voted Hoffa out in the US. Hoffa and his corrupt buddies do not represent the members. They are eroding this union from the inside out. The Union (and many many more than just Fisher) continue to collude with UPS in order to terminate UPSers. WTF?</p><p></p><p>We will keep paying our dues unless this contract goes thru without MAJOR changes. There is a difference between a union who works for the members and a union that works with UPS to terminate members.</p><p></p><p>And hopefully we can take out this mountain of Teamster trash in the next Teamster General election and our local elections.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="browned out, post: 3751900, member: 8105"] We are prepared to opt out of the Hoffa union because they are using our dues money in order to get rid of "problem employees". Many of us have been subjected to the terrible life changing retribution and retaliation from Hoffa/UPS coordinated targeting of drivers and other UPS employees. Read this case Atkinson Hearing Reveals Disturbing Relationship Between UPS And Teamsters | bringbackthefight Atckinson's case is not unique. It has happened to dozens if not 100s of UPSers. Most have lost their livelihoods. I would say 99% are no longer working at UPS due to Union UPS collusion. 1% or less of us have been able to defeat UPS and the Teamsters. When you have a corrupt union; it is worse than no union. We are paying these Hoffa cronies $100,000 + so that they and UPS can take our livelihoods? When you have a union that does not take any action against people like Betty Rose Fisher; there is a major problem....a cancer. I have been a staunch union supporter for decades. I still am and always will be. But I will no longer support this corrupt union if this contract is passed without major changes. All 4 of my Grandparents were union employees. 2 at the Big 3 Auto Companies, Another at a major telecommunications company, and the other a coal miner. My father was a union carpenter. My father and grandmother find it reprehensible what is going on with Fiat/UAW [URL='https://www.freep.com/story/money/cars/chrysler/2018/08/27/possible-legal-trouble-fiat-chrysler-uaw-training-center-scandal/1075814002/']How much legal trouble could Fiat Chrysler, UAW face in scandal?[/URL] and UPS/Teamsters. If I was only thinking about myself and what the Teamsters did to me and my family; I would have opted out years ago. I would have filed a failure to fulfill a duty of fair representation case that i could have easily won. My union allegiances were too strong. It was bigger than me. If this was about the Hoffa Teamsters being complicit in strategically targeting 100's of employees by colluding with UPS; I would have opted out years ago. It was bigger than just the 100's of us. But now; this is a lot bigger than me or the 100s like me who the Hoffa Teamsters have thrown under the bus and then backed the bus over us. UPS is driving the bus and Hoffa is resting his head in UPS's lap. And now they are not attempting to run a few hundred of us over; they are trying to run 10s of 1000's of us over. All the while; telling us they have our best interests at hand. The hypocrisy is grotesque. We will not pay these butt puppets for selling a whole generation of 22.4s down the river. If 100's or 1000's of us do opt out; we will send our dues $ to the O'Brien/Zuckerman's campaigns....or for that matter to any of the many other Teamster locals that actually do their FN job. No one that I know wants to opt out. But there are 1000's that will. Hopefully, after a strong no vote; these hypocritical, disgraced, pieces of garbage will actually fight for ALL the members. [URL='https://www.teamstersunited.org/hoffa-corruption']The Hoffa-Hall Corruption Concessions Connection[/URL] So for now; keep sending your hard earned money to these criminals in the red vests; those that voted over 80% for Hoffa at the delegation. We the members voted Hoffa out in the US. Hoffa and his corrupt buddies do not represent the members. They are eroding this union from the inside out. The Union (and many many more than just Fisher) continue to collude with UPS in order to terminate UPSers. WTF? We will keep paying our dues unless this contract goes thru without MAJOR changes. There is a difference between a union who works for the members and a union that works with UPS to terminate members. And hopefully we can take out this mountain of Teamster trash in the next Teamster General election and our local elections. [/QUOTE]
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