How do you grieve managerial dishonesty?

Discussion in 'UPS Union Issues' started by menotyou, Feb 14, 2012.

  1. menotyou

    menotyou bella amicizia

    Just a thought. How would one go about it? What is your opinion?
  2. faded jeans

    faded jeans just a member

    Wouldn't that be equivalent to grieving tomorrow's sunrise. Just kidding.................
  3. raceanoncr

    raceanoncr Well-Known Member

    Kinda hard to grieve something that's not a contract violation.

    A District Manager once told me directly during a grievance hearing, "No where does it say in the contract that we HAVE to make money"!

    So, I take that to mean that nowhere in the contract does it say that managers HAVE to be honest!
  4. island1fox

    island1fox Well-Known Member


    Not to sure what you mean by "Managerial Dishonesty"

    Very basic to me as I spent time both as an hourly and management--any "dishonesty" when proven should be dealt with severly.

    Now I have heard some outrageous charges like ---I can do my route better than my manager --that makes him dishonest ???

    If anyone is stealing or doing anything that is dishonest I am sure both the Company And the Union would like to know about it.

    If you have knowledge of a guilty action and do not report it to someone in Authority and follow up to make sure it has been dealt with --you could end up like 'papa Joe "
  5. toonertoo

    toonertoo Most Awesome Dog Staff Member

    Island, first of all I love you but.... the company is playing good guy bad guy, constantly.
    it shouldnt be like this, it is.
    Im glad Im soon to be gone, and maybe my posts will help me along.:felloforit1:
    Really I like my sups and cms as people, as management not so much.

    It is like talking to a proverbial brick wall.
    I used to enjoy my job, when my life would be in turmoil, at least here I knew what I was doing!! I could relax and work my butt off and it meant something.
    Now every day, I feel like a rookie.
    Some days I seriously want to cry.
    I TRY really hard to get my point across respectively. It phases no one. I try to take care of customers, and I try to get my management to help me do that. I may as well piss in the wind.
    Dishonest, I think 15 stops I didnt deliver called emergency conditions is dishonest. The fact is I ran out of time. is that dishonest to the customer?
  6. UpstateNYUPSer

    UpstateNYUPSer Very proud grandfather.

    There is already a mechanicsm in place to report managerial "dishonesty" so this thread is redundant and unnecessary.
  7. menotyou

    menotyou bella amicizia

    Says you. Haven't we already discussed the value of your opinion to me? Yet, you still feel the need to state it. I think a thread talking in the third person while informing everyone you were wrong is so vainglorious and pompuos; like it was some occasion like the birth of the baby Jesus that had to be recorded in BC history.
  8. UpstateNYUPSer

    UpstateNYUPSer Very proud grandfather.

    It's called the Ethics Hotline.
  9. menotyou

    menotyou bella amicizia

    What a joke.

    :rofl: Easy to say from the Bubble of Goodness.
  10. brownelf

    brownelf Active Member

    me is correct about the ethics hotline it is a joke, had the chance to see it in action last year and was disappointed by the results. Now along with the lack of respect for my center manager as far as integrity goes my DM is has joined the club. They don't want to fix the problem just desire to sweep it under the rug or blame an hourly for reporting it.
  11. soberups

    soberups Pees in the brown Koolaid

    Article 37 ---oversupervision, harrassment, coercion. One could argue that if a management person lies to an hourly they are failing to treat them with dignity and respect as is required by this article. Its a stretch, but at the very least by filing you are shining some light on the lie and forcing it out in the open.
  12. LagunaBrown

    LagunaBrown Well-Known Member

    You better let these guys know "Ethics" means you get a target on your back. At least if you file a grievance you have a paper trail in case of retaliation.
  13. tourists24

    tourists24 Well-Known Member

    So what? If a person isnt willing to stand up and speak up then they just need to sit in the corner and keep their mouth shut and no whining
  14. tourists24

    tourists24 Well-Known Member

    Brings up a good point Sober.... the biggest complaint hourlies have is that filing does no good.... wrong.... it starts a paper trail..... I always tell em, "if you dont put it in writing, then it never happened"
  15. menotyou

    menotyou bella amicizia

    If your local has an email address, get it. I have filed many grievances via email.
  16. island1fox

    island1fox Well-Known Member

  17. toonertoo

    toonertoo Most Awesome Dog Staff Member

  18. FracusBrown

    FracusBrown Ponies and Planes

    Honesty...It's not what it used to be. The new policy is softened up a little.