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<blockquote data-quote="rickyb" data-source="post: 2109829" data-attributes="member: 56035">If the capital isn&#039;t provided democratically, then why should the profits be distributed democratically?The capitalist is never the only one who takes risks in starting a new business. So do the workers who forego other jobs, other communities, other life activities to take the job with any particular capitalist employer. Employees risk all the effects of the capitalist employer&#039;s decisions (eg deploying a dangerous piece of machinery, a toxic technology, a wrong guess about what product will sell, etc.) without being allowed to participate in any of them. The idea that only capitalist take risks is fundamentally absurd.In capitalism, capitalists buy labor power - the worker&#039;s capacity to perform labor - only if and when the worker, by his or her labor, generate MORE value than what their employers pay them. Your boss pays you say $20 per hour only if, during that hour, your labor adds more value than $20 to what your employer has to sell. That more is the employer&#039;s profit. To demand that workers have a say in what happens to (what social use is made of) profits simple says that workers are entitled by right to a say in what their labor, their brains and muscles, produced.Finally, the only reason capital is not provided democratically is because capitalism funnels the MORE produced by many workers into the hands of a very few employers.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="rickyb, post: 2109829, member: 56035"] [SIZE=6][B]If the capital isn't provided democratically, then why should the profits be distributed democratically?[/B][/SIZE] The capitalist is never the only one who takes risks in starting a new business. So do the workers who forego other jobs, other communities, other life activities to take the job with any particular capitalist employer. Employees risk all the effects of the capitalist employer's decisions (eg deploying a dangerous piece of machinery, a toxic technology, a wrong guess about what product will sell, etc.) without being allowed to participate in any of them. The idea that only capitalist take risks is fundamentally absurd. In capitalism, capitalists buy labor power - the worker's capacity to perform labor - only if and when the worker, by his or her labor, generate MORE value than what their employers pay them. Your boss pays you say $20 per hour only if, during that hour, your labor adds more value than $20 to what your employer has to sell. That more is the employer's profit. To demand that workers have a say in what happens to (what social use is made of) profits simple says that workers are entitled by right to a say in what their labor, their brains and muscles, produced. Finally, the only reason capital is not provided democratically is because capitalism funnels the MORE produced by many workers into the hands of a very few employers. [/QUOTE]

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