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Message: <blockquote data-quote="vantexan" data-source="post: 3337448" data-attributes="member: 24302"><p>They had worker coops in Russia too and couldn't feed themselves.  It may work in circumstances where the members of the co-op are happy with what they get and are determined.  For most people if you take the profit motive away things start falling apart.  People want and strive for things.  Look at China.  They didn't start doing better until they allowed citizens to implement capitalist ideas.  Ultimately government should be about people succeeding, not about controlling everything so that most are roughly equal.  That has usually translated into most being miserable together while the elites do much better.  And I'm sure you and others will say how's that any different from our system but you can't begin to compare the levels of misery between the two.</p></blockquote><p></p>