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<blockquote data-quote="rickyb" data-source="post: 3512159" data-attributes="member: 56035">they voluntarily mentioned what they earned in virginia or wherever without me talking about capitalism. i agree they are like ski bums, but i dont think thats justification for low wages.&nbsp; rafting is a dangerous sport (i fell out 1x, almost fell out 2x, a bunch of people fell out) and they should be compensated better so they have more experience and incentive to stick around.&nbsp; the helicopter pilot who flew me from vegas to grand canyon (who was probably republican) told me he only made $25 / hr.&nbsp; helicopter pilots should make more money.&nbsp; they had a helicopter crash in grand canyon because pilots are trying to get bigger tips.&nbsp; &nbsp; when im driving around, i see all these service sector jobs and i always think what a waste it is that you have a bunch of min wage workers and a few capitalists getting rich.most of us already have &quot;nothing much, just sit around existing&quot;.&nbsp; theres not much difference between this failed system and the ones you are comparing it to.&nbsp; it really comes down to self determination.btw i heard chinese real wages have gone up 300% in the same decade where they are stagnant in america.&nbsp; chinese workers have higher wages than all latin american countries. not saying the chinese system works or is ideal, but they at least have that.one guy at my job fled communism like he escaped and got caught i believe and eventually escaped.&nbsp; he supports trump and the same things that eventually would lead to whatever he escaped before.&nbsp; people are slow learners and a poor judge of things.&nbsp; people have a hard time doing even the basic things like being nice / decent, or even forming unions, let alone having an understand of whats happening to them or an ideal economic system.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="rickyb, post: 3512159, member: 56035"] they voluntarily mentioned what they earned in virginia or wherever without me talking about capitalism. i agree they are like ski bums, but i dont think thats justification for low wages. rafting is a dangerous sport (i fell out 1x, almost fell out 2x, a bunch of people fell out) and they should be compensated better so they have more experience and incentive to stick around. the helicopter pilot who flew me from vegas to grand canyon (who was probably republican) told me he only made $25 / hr. helicopter pilots should make more money. they had a helicopter crash in grand canyon because pilots are trying to get bigger tips. when im driving around, i see all these service sector jobs and i always think what a waste it is that you have a bunch of min wage workers and a few capitalists getting rich. most of us already have "nothing much, just sit around existing". theres not much difference between this failed system and the ones you are comparing it to. it really comes down to self determination. btw i heard chinese real wages have gone up 300% in the same decade where they are stagnant in america. chinese workers have higher wages than all latin american countries. not saying the chinese system works or is ideal, but they at least have that. one guy at my job fled communism like he escaped and got caught i believe and eventually escaped. he supports trump and the same things that eventually would lead to whatever he escaped before. people are slow learners and a poor judge of things. people have a hard time doing even the basic things like being nice / decent, [B]or even forming unions, [/B]let alone having an understand of whats happening to them or an ideal economic system. [/QUOTE]

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