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<blockquote data-quote="Ricochet1a" data-source="post: 982834" data-attributes="member: 22880"><p>No one ever stated that a degree ensures success, it just tends to minimize failure. The worst managers I worked under while at Express <u>didn't</u> have a degree. They were of the opinion that since it took them over 10 years to enter management, so it should take everyone else at least as long to do so. Wrong...</p><p></p><p>The second worse group of managers at Express were those who had a degree, but were younger than about 32 - they didn't have the maturity to deal with people and not let their ego get in the way of running an operation smoothly. </p><p></p><p>A person with their "head on their shoulders" only needs about 4 years of hands on experience and that academic training to go along with it, to have the intellectual tools to handle Express frontline management. </p><p></p><p>I knew many employees who knew the details of the operations as you put forth (knowing all procedures, all of the computer skills, cross training, etc), that went absolutely NO WHERE in Express. They didn't have the requisite intellectual skills to manage dealing with the issues that were BEYOND the moving of packages. Believe it or not, there is a skill set which management possesses which isn't "learned" in knowing all the intricacies of moving a package from point A to point B (Gawd I hate sticking up for Express management...).</p><p></p><p>So is an individual supposed to bash their head in, working for a company attempting to move up and spend over 10 years in an attempt to move into management without a degree? Or is that individual better served by following conventional wisdom and obtaining a degree in a field which holds interest for them and advancing using that skill set? </p><p></p><p>I knew many employees who put in over 20 years with Express (Ramp Agents and Couriers), that once they left, had to start ALL OVER again in learning new skills (they didn't possess any post secondary education), since the very narrow skill set they used with Express wasn't applicable outside of Express. </p><p></p><p>So "Goldilocks", as a 27 year employee who bleeds purple profusely, I sincerely hope your time at Express has been well spent. For everyone that has far less time with Express, they are NOT best served attempting to learn everything at Express and placing their faith in their employer - the Express of a few years from now will not resemble the Federal Express you joined back in the 80s. I learned the hard way in my first year of Express, that having all the OJT in the world (a completed training sheet over 2 pages long) didn't mean a damn thing when it came to getting pay progression. </p><p></p><p>No, spending one's efforts learning everything they can about Express operations ISN'T the best path to success - it is obtaining post secondary education or vocational training which can be put to use with a VARIETY of employers - who invariably compensate at levels more than Express does (at least for those who have less than 15 years in). </p><p></p><p>As far as thanking God for having a job, would you be so thankful if you were a 7 year employee that was only about a dollar an hour above entry level wage, with an absolute joke of a pension plan going for you (no DBPP going back over 20 years...) and looking in a couple of years at being reduced to either part-time status or working with an insane split shift as routine?</p><p></p><p>Take your bunk over to the Brown Bailout website. You can kiss up on Fred's boots over there and maybe get a $50 BZ bonus for your efforts.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ricochet1a, post: 982834, member: 22880"] No one ever stated that a degree ensures success, it just tends to minimize failure. The worst managers I worked under while at Express [U]didn't[/U] have a degree. They were of the opinion that since it took them over 10 years to enter management, so it should take everyone else at least as long to do so. Wrong... The second worse group of managers at Express were those who had a degree, but were younger than about 32 - they didn't have the maturity to deal with people and not let their ego get in the way of running an operation smoothly. A person with their "head on their shoulders" only needs about 4 years of hands on experience and that academic training to go along with it, to have the intellectual tools to handle Express frontline management. I knew many employees who knew the details of the operations as you put forth (knowing all procedures, all of the computer skills, cross training, etc), that went absolutely NO WHERE in Express. They didn't have the requisite intellectual skills to manage dealing with the issues that were BEYOND the moving of packages. Believe it or not, there is a skill set which management possesses which isn't "learned" in knowing all the intricacies of moving a package from point A to point B (Gawd I hate sticking up for Express management...). So is an individual supposed to bash their head in, working for a company attempting to move up and spend over 10 years in an attempt to move into management without a degree? Or is that individual better served by following conventional wisdom and obtaining a degree in a field which holds interest for them and advancing using that skill set? I knew many employees who put in over 20 years with Express (Ramp Agents and Couriers), that once they left, had to start ALL OVER again in learning new skills (they didn't possess any post secondary education), since the very narrow skill set they used with Express wasn't applicable outside of Express. So "Goldilocks", as a 27 year employee who bleeds purple profusely, I sincerely hope your time at Express has been well spent. For everyone that has far less time with Express, they are NOT best served attempting to learn everything at Express and placing their faith in their employer - the Express of a few years from now will not resemble the Federal Express you joined back in the 80s. I learned the hard way in my first year of Express, that having all the OJT in the world (a completed training sheet over 2 pages long) didn't mean a damn thing when it came to getting pay progression. No, spending one's efforts learning everything they can about Express operations ISN'T the best path to success - it is obtaining post secondary education or vocational training which can be put to use with a VARIETY of employers - who invariably compensate at levels more than Express does (at least for those who have less than 15 years in). As far as thanking God for having a job, would you be so thankful if you were a 7 year employee that was only about a dollar an hour above entry level wage, with an absolute joke of a pension plan going for you (no DBPP going back over 20 years...) and looking in a couple of years at being reduced to either part-time status or working with an insane split shift as routine? Take your bunk over to the Brown Bailout website. You can kiss up on Fred's boots over there and maybe get a $50 BZ bonus for your efforts. [/QUOTE]
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