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If you're fired for Jury Duty paydo you collect Pension after 13-23 years of service.
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<blockquote data-quote="The Other Side" data-source="post: 817150" data-attributes="member: 17969"><p><strong>Re: If you're fired for Jury Duty paydo you collect Pension after 13-23 years of serv</strong></p><p></p><p>Please people, lets quit with the schoolyard lawyering and stay with the objective data in this case. Its pretty simple to analyze. </p><p> </p><p>Someone said "they are working as directed".... TIEGUY asked "seriously"..... Who is correct, in the legal sense? What would stand up in arbitration?</p><p> </p><p>Forget about all your "FEELINGS" about the case and deal with the facts.</p><p> </p><p>First, lets start with how this got started. It was the SUPERVISOR who made the offer to the employees and NOT the employees asking the SUPERVISOR. This is important because there has to be an "IMPETUS" to the action.</p><p> </p><p>Clearly, the "IMPETUS" was created by the supervisor and it was the supervisor who has the OBLIGATION to inform the employees of ALL CONSEQUENCES when being "DIRECTED".</p><p> </p><p>This includes informing the employees that the suggested action carried terminable consequences. This fact cannot be ignored. In arbitration, establishing the person responsible for the initial action can determine the "CULPABILITY" of the other persons involved. </p><p> </p><p>A supervisor who is conspiring to commit a dishonest action against the company has NO RIGHT to involve the employees he is responsible for managing.</p><p> </p><p>The employees, whether or not knew the action could be considered dishonest can be relieved of that responsibility by virtue of being reliant on "DIRECTION" from a superior in charge of the operation.</p><p> </p><p>Now, that does not mean the employees are in the total clear. An arbitor would make them repay the days they were "IMPROPERLY" coded, but award them to be made "WHOLE" for all the days they were out on discharge.</p><p> </p><p>Working as directed is the critical key to the defense of these employees.</p><p> </p><p>Regardless of coding, the dishonest action began with the supervisor and he had NO RIGHT to involve the employees on a scam to defraud the company.</p><p> </p><p>One of the biggest problems with UPS is the failure to supervise their own supervisors. There are literally hundreds of instances where supervisors are "CHEATING" the system and go undetected.</p><p> </p><p>The problem is systemic at UPS and this case is just one example of the corruption of the system at large.</p><p> </p><p>In arbitration, this case would be a slam dunk for the Union, and I hope the local involved takes this case all the way. </p><p> </p><p>Personal feelings, morality and the like do not suffice for objective circumspect, so all of you who believe the employees are guilty of dishonesty dont know CRAP about the legal implications.</p><p> </p><p>The situation is indeed corrupt and somewhat funny, but it starts with UPS and ends with UPS in responsibility.</p><p> </p><p>Peace.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="The Other Side, post: 817150, member: 17969"] [b]Re: If you're fired for Jury Duty paydo you collect Pension after 13-23 years of serv[/b] Please people, lets quit with the schoolyard lawyering and stay with the objective data in this case. Its pretty simple to analyze. Someone said "they are working as directed".... TIEGUY asked "seriously"..... Who is correct, in the legal sense? What would stand up in arbitration? Forget about all your "FEELINGS" about the case and deal with the facts. First, lets start with how this got started. It was the SUPERVISOR who made the offer to the employees and NOT the employees asking the SUPERVISOR. This is important because there has to be an "IMPETUS" to the action. Clearly, the "IMPETUS" was created by the supervisor and it was the supervisor who has the OBLIGATION to inform the employees of ALL CONSEQUENCES when being "DIRECTED". This includes informing the employees that the suggested action carried terminable consequences. This fact cannot be ignored. In arbitration, establishing the person responsible for the initial action can determine the "CULPABILITY" of the other persons involved. A supervisor who is conspiring to commit a dishonest action against the company has NO RIGHT to involve the employees he is responsible for managing. The employees, whether or not knew the action could be considered dishonest can be relieved of that responsibility by virtue of being reliant on "DIRECTION" from a superior in charge of the operation. Now, that does not mean the employees are in the total clear. An arbitor would make them repay the days they were "IMPROPERLY" coded, but award them to be made "WHOLE" for all the days they were out on discharge. Working as directed is the critical key to the defense of these employees. Regardless of coding, the dishonest action began with the supervisor and he had NO RIGHT to involve the employees on a scam to defraud the company. One of the biggest problems with UPS is the failure to supervise their own supervisors. There are literally hundreds of instances where supervisors are "CHEATING" the system and go undetected. The problem is systemic at UPS and this case is just one example of the corruption of the system at large. In arbitration, this case would be a slam dunk for the Union, and I hope the local involved takes this case all the way. Personal feelings, morality and the like do not suffice for objective circumspect, so all of you who believe the employees are guilty of dishonesty dont know CRAP about the legal implications. The situation is indeed corrupt and somewhat funny, but it starts with UPS and ends with UPS in responsibility. Peace. [/QUOTE]
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