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<blockquote data-quote="Ricochet1a" data-source="post: 564756" data-attributes="member: 22880"><p>Then can you tell me (and about 10,000 other FedEx Couriers) how we can leave FedEx and start working with UPS as drivers on day one of our employment? I'm not looking to go back to "the bottom" and work as a handler for a few years. I'm a DOT qualified driver that is experienced in both delivery and pickup of time sensitive shipments. Please tell me how I can transfer and start work as a driver on day one with UPS.</p><p> </p><p>The fact is we can't transfer to another company and perform the job function for which we are experienced in. This job category has a seniority system which requires all new hires to go to the bottom of seniority, which means in UPS starting as a handler and working that for a few years on average until a position opens up as a driver - no thanks.</p><p> </p><p>If I was working a white collar job as say a human resources manager, or a loan officer, I could apply to another potential employer and start working in that job function IMMEDIATELY upon hire. I wouldn't have to spend a few years working the mail room or being a receptionist. In blue collar employment, seniority rules exist to prevent new hires from jumping ahead of the pool of potential employees for a "coveted" position. I'm definately more qualified than ANY handler to operate a deliver truck, but because of the seniority system, I'd go to the bottom of the pool. </p><p> </p><p>This is why the "choice" to change employers is a false choice for seniority based occupations. The choice it to collectively bargain. In a white collar occupation, I could get my resumes out to as many potential employers as possible, and select the best offer I receive and starting working in that function immediately. Can't do that in a seniority based occupation.</p><p> </p><p>Even commercial pilots are trapped right now. There are commercial pilots with 10,000 hours of flight time on furlough right now. They are definately more experienced that some young kid coming into a regional airline to work with less than 1,000 total hours (and none in turbine aircraft). If they were to accept a position with a regional carrier, they'd go to the bottom of the seniority listing and take a pay rate at the bottom (not based on their experience at doing the job but based solely upon their seniority with the company). In addition, practically all commercial airlines require a pilot to forfeit their seniority with their previous employer as a basis for hiring (they don't want them to bolt once the furlough is lifted). This is why experienced pilots are on furlough and inexperienced pilots are starting with the regional carriers. </p><p> </p><p>Whatever caused you to make the choice to switch to UPS in the past was based solely on personal preferences. I choose NOT to become a handler for a few years. I shouldn't have to make that false choice. I choose to force my current employer to engage in collective bargaining with me and potentially thousands if not tens of thousands of fellow employees for a better compensation package. If UPS would hire me as a package car driver from day one I'd make the jump in a heartbeat. That isn't going to happen, so I choose to act in an alternative manner.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ricochet1a, post: 564756, member: 22880"] Then can you tell me (and about 10,000 other FedEx Couriers) how we can leave FedEx and start working with UPS as drivers on day one of our employment? I'm not looking to go back to "the bottom" and work as a handler for a few years. I'm a DOT qualified driver that is experienced in both delivery and pickup of time sensitive shipments. Please tell me how I can transfer and start work as a driver on day one with UPS. The fact is we can't transfer to another company and perform the job function for which we are experienced in. This job category has a seniority system which requires all new hires to go to the bottom of seniority, which means in UPS starting as a handler and working that for a few years on average until a position opens up as a driver - no thanks. If I was working a white collar job as say a human resources manager, or a loan officer, I could apply to another potential employer and start working in that job function IMMEDIATELY upon hire. I wouldn't have to spend a few years working the mail room or being a receptionist. In blue collar employment, seniority rules exist to prevent new hires from jumping ahead of the pool of potential employees for a "coveted" position. I'm definately more qualified than ANY handler to operate a deliver truck, but because of the seniority system, I'd go to the bottom of the pool. This is why the "choice" to change employers is a false choice for seniority based occupations. The choice it to collectively bargain. In a white collar occupation, I could get my resumes out to as many potential employers as possible, and select the best offer I receive and starting working in that function immediately. Can't do that in a seniority based occupation. Even commercial pilots are trapped right now. There are commercial pilots with 10,000 hours of flight time on furlough right now. They are definately more experienced that some young kid coming into a regional airline to work with less than 1,000 total hours (and none in turbine aircraft). If they were to accept a position with a regional carrier, they'd go to the bottom of the seniority listing and take a pay rate at the bottom (not based on their experience at doing the job but based solely upon their seniority with the company). In addition, practically all commercial airlines require a pilot to forfeit their seniority with their previous employer as a basis for hiring (they don't want them to bolt once the furlough is lifted). This is why experienced pilots are on furlough and inexperienced pilots are starting with the regional carriers. Whatever caused you to make the choice to switch to UPS in the past was based solely on personal preferences. I choose NOT to become a handler for a few years. I shouldn't have to make that false choice. I choose to force my current employer to engage in collective bargaining with me and potentially thousands if not tens of thousands of fellow employees for a better compensation package. If UPS would hire me as a package car driver from day one I'd make the jump in a heartbeat. That isn't going to happen, so I choose to act in an alternative manner. [/QUOTE]
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