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<blockquote data-quote="LarryBird" data-source="post: 4106062" data-attributes="member: 76548">War with Iran would be a mess. Nobody with half a brain in our political or intelligence agency braintrust wants this. If people think that Afghanistan or Iraq were difficult wars with a determined resistance and unforgiving territory, they should take a glimpse at the size of the population and topography of Iran. Not pretty.You wanna talk about a hardened target? - Then consider Iran is <img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/group1/censored2.gif"&nbsp; class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":censored2:" title="Censored2&nbsp; &nbsp; :censored2:" data-shortname=":censored2:" />ing titanium compared with Afghanistan&#039;s iron and Iraq&#039;s copper. We would lose this war, not by lack of technology and military superiority, but by attrition. They would simply outlast us, and make the costs of the loss of life too high for us to bear, in comparison with our reward for staying the course until victory.This has been the strategy for fighting the US since Korea, and it hasn&#039;t failed any of our adversaries yet. We will quit or capitulate before the job is done. Our leaders will cave to political pressure at home, and we will leave a bigger problem than we had to start, and have galvanized another couple generations of terrorists and hatred of Americans. That&#039;s just what we do - like it or not.We have become a country who thinks we can dictate our terms to the world with the threats of aggression and war, but one with a population and leardership who have no tastes for the hard sacrifices and difficult truths it takes to actually win one.Everyone here is far too comfortable and self-interested to actually join in and engage in war, even if they actually agreed with the cause, which the majority will not, short of our home soil being invaded.We were attacked on 9/11, and while everyone talked a big game, people were angry, and the country was united - there wasn&#039;t long lines down at the recruitment centers to &#039;get some&#039;, as they say in the military. The only way we&#039;re ever gonna see the same level sacrifice the greatest generation made in WWII, which is what it takes, is if there&#039;s enemy boots on the ground here - and that&#039;s not happening. Period. Meaning we&#039;re never gonna truly win another war again, in my opinion, and those of our pragmatic military minds.So stop being so hawkish on matters of war, unless you&#039;re ready to lace &#039;em up, and scream &#039;oorah!&#039; as you face down the enemy with your M4 rifle several thousand miles from your couch. Otherwise, let&#039;s try to exhaust all diplomacy options, and come to a deal at the negotiating table first. Aight?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="LarryBird, post: 4106062, member: 76548"] War with Iran would be a mess. Nobody with half a brain in our political or intelligence agency braintrust wants this. If people think that Afghanistan or Iraq were difficult wars with a determined resistance and unforgiving territory, they should take a glimpse at the size of the population and topography of Iran. Not pretty. You wanna talk about a hardened target? - Then consider Iran is :censored:ing titanium compared with Afghanistan's iron and Iraq's copper. We would lose this war, not by lack of technology and military superiority, but by attrition. They would simply outlast us, and make the costs of the loss of life too high for us to bear, in comparison with our reward for staying the course until victory. This has been the strategy for fighting the US since Korea, and it hasn't failed any of our adversaries yet. We will quit or capitulate before the job is done. Our leaders will cave to political pressure at home, and we will leave a bigger problem than we had to start, and have galvanized another couple generations of terrorists and hatred of Americans. That's just what we do - like it or not. We have become a country who thinks we can dictate our terms to the world with the threats of aggression and war, but one with a population and leardership who have no tastes for the hard sacrifices and difficult truths it takes to actually win one. Everyone here is far too comfortable and self-interested to actually join in and engage in war, even if they actually agreed with the cause, which the majority will not, short of our home soil being invaded. We were attacked on 9/11, and while everyone talked a big game, people were angry, and the country was united - there wasn't long lines down at the recruitment centers to 'get some', as they say in the military. The only way we're ever gonna see the same level sacrifice the greatest generation made in WWII, which is what it takes, is if there's enemy boots on the ground here - and that's not happening. Period. Meaning we're never gonna truly win another war again, in my opinion, and those of our pragmatic military minds. So stop being so hawkish on matters of war, unless you're ready to lace 'em up, and scream 'oorah!' as you face down the enemy with your M4 rifle several thousand miles from your couch. Otherwise, let's try to exhaust all diplomacy options, and come to a deal at the negotiating table first. Aight? [/QUOTE]

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