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<blockquote data-quote="wkmac" data-source="post: 75556" data-attributes="member: 2189"><p>Good point about Cuba and Castro as I missed that one but the CIA list of foreign failures is pretty long. Here's a few links just for starters beginning with the pre-cursor of the CIA, the OSS and then onward. Notice the names of folks the OSS help build up during the WW2 years and who were our allies only to become our enemies. Just a constant and repeating song or error over the years or is there another story we haven't been told?</p><p></p><p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Office_of_Strategic_Services" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Office_of_Strategic_Services</a></p><p></p><p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_Intelligence_Agency" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_Intelligence_Agency</a></p><p></p><p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allen_Dulles" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allen_Dulles</a></p><p>This one on Allen Dulles is very interesting as it lists some domestic CIA related operations. It's also of interesting note that Dulles was on the Warren Commission and only 2 years prior had been fired by the very person who's murder they were investigating. Surely nothing should be read into that! Surely Oliver Stone's JFK was nothing but a contrived film by a disgruntled liberal! Here's a little side note of interest concerning the issue of CIA, Military Industrial Complex, etc. In the movie JFK, Donald Sutherland portrays a character known as "Mr X" and is a Air Force Colonel assigned to the military Presidential protection detail. Mr. X was in fact based on a true person and who's lines in the movie were the details of what he was saying publically. Below is a link to his book on the subject matter and worth the read. If you can't remember from the movie what Mr X said then I would encourage you to go back and watch it just for that 10 minute dialogue. It's dead on!</p><p></p><p>[MEDIA=amazon]0806517727[/MEDIA]</p><p></p><p>Through the middle of the last century til the present, the American Intelligence community has had failure after failure after failure and now here we are relying on them again concerning Iran's nuke program. The Iranian's have publically admitted the presence and ramping up but what would you do if them to ask an honest question?</p><p></p><p>Now we comeback to the events of 9/11 and Osama bin Laden. I would suggest reading the 2 articles below to get just a small glimse of the picture. It would do well to read further but the point is to note the involvement of the CIA, our own gov't under both democrat and republican presidents and just of the remote chance we've been fed something not of complete truth and openness concerning how the events of the last 5 years and going back to 1993' have taken place.</p><p></p><p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_war_in_Afghanistan" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_war_in_Afghanistan</a></p><p></p><p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mujahideen" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mujahideen</a></p><p></p><p>In the 3rd section on the Afghan Mujahideen we find the folowing quote:</p><p></p><p><span style="color: red">"Following the Soviet retreat, many of the larger Mujahideen groups began to fight each other. After several years of this fighting, a village </span><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mullah" target="_blank"><span style="color: red">mullah</span></a><span style="color: red"> organized religious students into an armed movement, with the backing of Pakistan, who was being funded by the United States, which found the existing </span><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Alliance" target="_blank"><span style="color: red">Northern Alliance</span></a><span style="color: red"> government to be too Russia-influenced. This movement became known as the </span><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taliban" target="_blank"><span style="color: red">Taliban</span></a><span style="color: red">, meaning "students", and referring to the </span><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saudi" target="_blank"><span style="color: red">Saudi</span></a><span style="color: red">-backed religious schools which produced Islamic fundamentalism along the pacific coast of Asia. With each success the Taliban had, their popularity and numbers grew."</span></p><p></p><p>So we found the Northern Alliance to be too Russian influenced so we backed the other side that became the Taliban. I believe someone here made the statement concerning gov't that they had never had their Ox gored by gov't so what's the problem. Still want to maintain that position?</p><p></p><p>Americans as a whole are truly good and wonderful people and mean no harm to anyone. Don't ever confuse any condemnation of the gov't as meaning a condemnation of the people. Some would argue it's those people that vote in the gov't which is true but when the people are never shown all the facts, then the conclusion they come too is not one based on all facts and could be considered a contrived conclusion at that. Take the time to read and consider many facts listed in the articles above and this is just the tip of the iceberg at best. I'm not asking you to wholeheartedly believe and endorse them but file them away and as time goes by use them in consideration when giving thought to the events and gov't of the current day.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="wkmac, post: 75556, member: 2189"] Good point about Cuba and Castro as I missed that one but the CIA list of foreign failures is pretty long. Here's a few links just for starters beginning with the pre-cursor of the CIA, the OSS and then onward. Notice the names of folks the OSS help build up during the WW2 years and who were our allies only to become our enemies. Just a constant and repeating song or error over the years or is there another story we haven't been told? [URL]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Office_of_Strategic_Services[/URL] [URL]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_Intelligence_Agency[/URL] [URL]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allen_Dulles[/URL] This one on Allen Dulles is very interesting as it lists some domestic CIA related operations. It's also of interesting note that Dulles was on the Warren Commission and only 2 years prior had been fired by the very person who's murder they were investigating. Surely nothing should be read into that! Surely Oliver Stone's JFK was nothing but a contrived film by a disgruntled liberal! Here's a little side note of interest concerning the issue of CIA, Military Industrial Complex, etc. In the movie JFK, Donald Sutherland portrays a character known as "Mr X" and is a Air Force Colonel assigned to the military Presidential protection detail. Mr. X was in fact based on a true person and who's lines in the movie were the details of what he was saying publically. Below is a link to his book on the subject matter and worth the read. If you can't remember from the movie what Mr X said then I would encourage you to go back and watch it just for that 10 minute dialogue. It's dead on! [MEDIA=amazon]0806517727[/MEDIA] Through the middle of the last century til the present, the American Intelligence community has had failure after failure after failure and now here we are relying on them again concerning Iran's nuke program. The Iranian's have publically admitted the presence and ramping up but what would you do if them to ask an honest question? Now we comeback to the events of 9/11 and Osama bin Laden. I would suggest reading the 2 articles below to get just a small glimse of the picture. It would do well to read further but the point is to note the involvement of the CIA, our own gov't under both democrat and republican presidents and just of the remote chance we've been fed something not of complete truth and openness concerning how the events of the last 5 years and going back to 1993' have taken place. [URL]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_war_in_Afghanistan[/URL] [URL]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mujahideen[/URL] In the 3rd section on the Afghan Mujahideen we find the folowing quote: [COLOR=red]"Following the Soviet retreat, many of the larger Mujahideen groups began to fight each other. After several years of this fighting, a village [/COLOR][URL='http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mullah'][COLOR=red]mullah[/COLOR][/URL][COLOR=red] organized religious students into an armed movement, with the backing of Pakistan, who was being funded by the United States, which found the existing [/COLOR][URL='http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Alliance'][COLOR=red]Northern Alliance[/COLOR][/URL][COLOR=red] government to be too Russia-influenced. This movement became known as the [/COLOR][URL='http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taliban'][COLOR=red]Taliban[/COLOR][/URL][COLOR=red], meaning "students", and referring to the [/COLOR][URL='http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saudi'][COLOR=red]Saudi[/COLOR][/URL][COLOR=red]-backed religious schools which produced Islamic fundamentalism along the pacific coast of Asia. With each success the Taliban had, their popularity and numbers grew."[/COLOR] So we found the Northern Alliance to be too Russian influenced so we backed the other side that became the Taliban. I believe someone here made the statement concerning gov't that they had never had their Ox gored by gov't so what's the problem. Still want to maintain that position? Americans as a whole are truly good and wonderful people and mean no harm to anyone. Don't ever confuse any condemnation of the gov't as meaning a condemnation of the people. Some would argue it's those people that vote in the gov't which is true but when the people are never shown all the facts, then the conclusion they come too is not one based on all facts and could be considered a contrived conclusion at that. Take the time to read and consider many facts listed in the articles above and this is just the tip of the iceberg at best. I'm not asking you to wholeheartedly believe and endorse them but file them away and as time goes by use them in consideration when giving thought to the events and gov't of the current day. [/QUOTE]
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