Is Solyndra Obama's Whitewater?

moreluck

golden ticket member
[h=2]Documents Show Solyndra Executives Reaped Huge Bonuses As Company Was Headed For Bankruptcy…[/h]


Paid for by the American taxpayers.
(Fox News) — Solyndra executives were awarded quarterly bonuses worth up to $60,000 apiece earlier this year as the California solar-panel company headed for bankruptcy, court documents show.

Documents filed by the company in U.S. bankruptcy court in Delaware show the well-paid executives at the firm were given bonuses in April and in July, just months before the company filed for bankruptcy in September and laid off 1,100 workers.

The details add to the narrative of what was happening behind the scenes in the year leading up to the company’s financial collapse, though congressional Republicans investigating the matter are looking for more details. After the Obama administration turned over 20,000 pages of documents earlier this week pertaining to Solyndra, House Republicans on Thursday night served the White House and vice president’s office with a subpoena for more Solyndra documents.
 

texan

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Re to will it be his Whitewater. Seems that with the media closing ranks and never asking pointed questions, it will just be swept under the rug as an important matter. The media seems to rule what is important.
 

wkmac

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Many here scream about the situation involving Solyndra and on some principle they would be right to do so but is it really principle on which they stand? NO! I think the vast majority of the "NOISE" found here is not about principle but rather just another excuse to bash Obama by people who I'd question if Obama were republican would even utter a peep in opposition?

But the larger question IMO would be if Solyndra was a first or was it rather a link in a long line of gov't interventions using taxpayer funds and the only reason this thing went viral if you will is because the company itself failed? Did Solyndra come about because a precedent had long been set and thus a business model created not for the purpose to create a good solar product but to skim the creme off the top from gov't loans and then if the idea didn't sustain, the taxpayer if you will is left on the hook holding a worthless carcass and some Solyndra players padded the back account.

The precedent was set back in the era of FDR and the Rural Electrification Act and the creation of an overseeing administration even still with us to this day. If you think Solyndra is new or that solar power subsidization is something completely new, then you should re-examine the reason you have electric power and telephone in your home to begin with. And if you think Solyndra was the first "Jobs" program to come along, thanks to the Dept. of USDA (read page 4 for starters) in which the old REA has been folded into, you'd best again re-think that electrical socket you have on the wall that powers the computer screen you are now looking at or in some cases, the phone line in which you get your internet service. Good example of economic intervention, central planning, nationalization as well as socialization.

And don't overlook the Dept. of Energy although this report is produced by a State of Texas source, it does discuss again the level of federal subsidization of energy by the federal gov't. And do you have the guts or honesty to search the real true cost of a gallon of gasoline and to who actually pays the price of the difference? Or is all you want to do is poor mouth on behalf of the oil companies about how little profit they get from a gallon of gasoline? If they had to pay for the entire true cost of that gallon of gas, they'd make no profit at all and we'd be using something else as a means of conveyance and my guess is it would be a variety of things as well.

You are right to criticize Solyndra and as a huge advocate of not only solar and wind but also micro-hydro and on small and local scale too, I absolutely oppose any and all gov't subsidization even in light that these forms of energy generation are competing against energy forms that are heavily subsidized and are only market viable because of the socialization of their business models. At the same time I also support the de-centralization of the national energy grid which would drive energy generation down to the local and even individual level and minus the gov't picking winners and losers in the area of energy, the use of sustainable energy generation would expand naturally and at an ever decreasing cost as the technology improves and broadens. Solar and Wind do not and the technology at present sez it won't work in large scale grids because of the excess power generation required to move energy across the grid, energy that is never used at the end user but just used to pressurize the line if you will to move the power. Solar and Wind however at the local and micro level work great and minus the taxpayer subsidy even in current models would be/is very cost effective and in some cases even cheaper than grid power..

IMO Solyndra was not and never was about benefiting and expanding solar generation but rather checking it at the door in order to protect longer established energy monopolies. It also appears in such schemes that some very familiar faces and names also benefit greatly but I know the narrative works much better in the created drama of Red Team verses Blue Team and many are more than happy to engage in that mindless process but if one is willing to delve deeper down and peel the layers back, one finds statism and corporatism clearly hand in hand and it's been so for a very long, long time.

From the linked article itself:

The government support — which includes loan guarantees, cash grants and contracts that require electric customers to pay higher rates — largely eliminated the risk to the private investors and almost guaranteed them large profits for years to come. The beneficiaries include financial firms like Goldman Sachs and Morgan Stanley, conglomerates like General Electric, utilities like Exelon and NRG — even Google.
A great deal of attention has been focused on Solyndra, a start-up that received $528 million in federal loans to develop cutting-edge solar technology before it went bankrupt, but nearly 90 percent of the $16 billion in clean-energy loans guaranteed by the federal government since 2009 went to subsidize these lower-risk power plants, which in many cases were backed by big companies with vast resources.

And now initially we had a few folks start raising a stink about Wall Street and how aspects of Corp. America and Wall Street currently occupy "the public commons" but when some average folk, maybe lacking full understanding or not the best as a spokesperson, decide themselves to occupy a public commons their tax dollars (save your mindess chatter Moreluck because everyone does pay taxes) were used to buy, we need a new narrative to make it easy to demonize and to keep honest folk from drilling down into the facts where they just might find the guiltiest MFers who hide behind free market rhetoric but are the biggest socialist and communist of them all!

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wkmac

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“They about had an orgasm in Biden’s office when we mentioned Solyndra,” read a Feb. 27, 2010, email from [Ken] Levit to [Steve] Mitchell. A follow-up email from Mitchell to Levit later that day responded, “That’s awesome! Get us a [Department of Energy] loan.”
- Quoted in “Emails Reveal Biden Team’s Enthusiasm Over Solyndra Loans,” Fox News, November 9, 2011.
Kids in the taxpayer candy store. That describes the heady days when Solyndra executives and lobbyists gleefully found out that the politicians loved their speculative, defective product. It turns out that Solyndra was a photo-op for President Obama and his “dream ‘green’ team”–one that may well end up being their undoing. (Does Obama use the term ‘green jobs’ anymore?.)
Enron was the canary in the renewable-energy coal mine. Ken Lay had a vision for Enron to become the world’s leading renewable energy company, part of the company’s green and Corporate Social Responsibility imaging. [1]
Enron’s investments in solar and wind produced financial losses in each year of operation, but many photo ops were generated, including a solar project that duped the New York Times.
Solyndra’s orgasmic glee in Vice President Biden’s office reminds me of the dreamy memo by John Palmisano, Enron’s lobbyist in Kyoto, Japan, written the day after the Kyoto Protocol was ratified in late 1997.
With the tenth anniversary of Enron’s bankruptcy filing just weeks away, this is an opportune time to remind one and all of just what the whole global warming crusade meant for the most rent-seeking of all rent-seeking companies, Enron.

Rent-Seeker Glee: It Did Not Begin with Solyndra (remembering Enron’s triumphant Kyoto Memo)

The Enron Kyoto memo at the link is a quite interesting read and IMO blows the theory that big energy opposes Kyoto but then some are still fooled that big business hates big gov't.
 

moreluck

golden ticket member
The plot thickens.
(NBC/Chicago) — Rahm Emanuel may need to jog his memory when it comes to his involvement with the solar power firm Solyndra as President Obama’s Chief of Staff.

On Friday, the news site Daily Beast received memos that had been turned over by the White House to Congressional investigators about the energy firm’s scandal. The emails indicated that Emanuel may have urged Vice President Joe Biden to hold an event touting Solyndra in connection with the Energy Department’s $535 million loan to the now-bankrupt solar firm.

An e-mail from a White House official indicates Emanuel talked to Ron Klain, Biden’s chief of staff, to plan an event in summer 2009, despite concerns raised by White House environmental adviser Heather Zichal about Solyndra’s finances.
“[Klain] has talked to Rahm about this and feels Rahm wants this too (barring any concerns)–POTUS’s involvement was Rahm’s idea,” wrote Aditya Kumar, a White House director of special projects, in an e-mail to other officials in August 2009.

In September, Emanuel denied any knowledge of the Solyndra loan to WLS Radio’s Bill Cameron.
 
The plot thickens.
(NBC/Chicago) — Rahm Emanuel may need to jog his memory when it comes to his involvement with the solar power firm Solyndra as President Obama’s Chief of Staff.

On Friday, the news site Daily Beast received memos that had been turned over by the White House to Congressional investigators about the energy firm’s scandal. The emails indicated that Emanuel may have urged Vice President Joe Biden to hold an event touting Solyndra in connection with the Energy Department’s $535 million loan to the now-bankrupt solar firm.

An e-mail from a White House official indicates Emanuel talked to Ron Klain, Biden’s chief of staff, to plan an event in summer 2009, despite concerns raised by White House environmental adviser Heather Zichal about Solyndra’s finances.
“[Klain] has talked to Rahm about this and feels Rahm wants this too (barring any concerns)–POTUS’s involvement was Rahm’s idea,” wrote Aditya Kumar, a White House director of special projects, in an e-mail to other officials in August 2009.

In September, Emanuel denied any knowledge of the Solyndra loan to WLS Radio’s Bill Cameron.
I'm beginning to worry about Rham, I think he has "Sometimer's Disease", sometimes he can't remember S#%! .
 

moreluck

golden ticket member
White House Emails Show Obama Admin Pushed Solyndra To Keep Layoffs Quiet Until After Midterm Elections…
And they were successful, Solyndra announced the layoffs and plant closing on November 3rd, one day after the midterms.
(WaPo) — The Obama administration urged officers of the struggling solar company Solyndra to postpone announcing planned layoffs until after the November 2010 midterm elections, newly released e-mails show.
The new e-mails about the layoff announcement were released Tuesday morning as part of a House Energy and Commerce committee memo, provided in advance of Energy Secretary Steven Chu’s scheduled testimony before the investigative committee Thursday.
Solyndra’s chief executive warned the Energy Department on Oct. 25, 2010, that he intended to announce worker layoffs Oct. 28. He said he was spurred by numerous calls from reporters and potential investors about rumors the firm was in financial trouble and was planning to lay off workers and close one of its two plants.
But in an Oct. 30, 2010, e-mail, advisers to Solyndra’s primary investor, Argonaut Equity, explain that the Energy Department had strongly urged the company to put off the layoff announcement until Nov. 3. The midterm elections were held Nov. 2, and led to Republicans taking control of the U.S. House of Representatives.

“DOE continues to be cooperative and have indicated that they will fund the November draw on our loan (app. $40 million) but have not committed to December yet,” a Solyndra investor adviser wrote Oct. 30. “They did push very hard for us to hold our announcement of the consolidation to employees and vendors to Nov. 3rd – oddly they didn’t give a reason for that date.”

Harrison went on to state that he would “like to go forward with the internal communication [to employees regarding layoffs] on Thursday, October 28.”

Harrison’s e-mail was forwarded to program director, Jonathan Silver, who then alerted White House climate change czar Carol Browner and Vice President Biden’s point person on stimulus, Ron Klain. Browner asked for more information about the announcement, and Chu’s chief of staff explained he had left a voicemail message on her cellphone.

On Nov. 3, 2010, Solyndra announced it would lay off 40 workers and 150 contractors and shut down its Fab 1 factory. The department agreed to continue giving Solyndra installments of its federal loan despite the company’s failure to meet key terms of the loan, and in February restructured its loan to give investors a chance to recover $75 million in new money they put into the company before taxpayers would be repaid.
 

wkmac

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I don't watch network news so can't confirm nor deny that claim of no coverage but ABC had the story up on their website dateline 11/15.
I don't watch much TV news period, but of what I did see no one was covering this story much if at all. The few times I had Fox on, I didn't see anything on this story. I can't verify anyone's coverage of this either. However, it is an interesting report.
 

moreluck

golden ticket member
Obama’s Labor Department Approves Deal Giving Ex-Solyndra Staff $13,000 Each In Federal Aid…
One last kick to the face.
(IBD) — The Labor Department today announced that it had approved Trade Adjustment Assistance for the former employees of the bankrupt solar panel maker Solyndra.

That means all of the firm’s 1,100 ex-employees are eligible for federal aid packages, including job retraining and income assistance. The department has valued packages at about $13,000 a head.

Taxpayers will have to cough up yet another $14.3 million as a result of Solyndra’s bankruptcy. They are already on the hook for $528 million in federal loan guarantees to the company that are unlikely to ever be paid back.
 

wkmac

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In April 2007, a helicopter landed in a backyard in Johnson Valley, California, a desert hamlet of 440 residents on the outskirts of Joshua Tree National Park. "One of the neighbors went out and asked them what they were doing just a few hundred feet from his house," Jim Harvey, a local landowner, recalls. "They said, 'We're the Los Angeles Department of Water and Power, and congratulations! You're the lucky lottery winners of a brand new power line that's going to come right through the middle of your town.' "
That power line is called Green Path North -- an 85-mile-long high-voltage transmission wire from Los Angeles through public and private lands, connecting the city to potential geothermal and solar-thermal resources, with the whole shebang to be owned by the LADWP and paid for over the next decade by ratepayers. The cost: up to $1 billion just for the transmission line, plus untold billions for the not-yet-planned power plants themselves. Some 2,000 acres of desert would be sacrificed for a project that would, if it ever gets built, carry about 800 megawatts of renewable electricity -- enough for 600,000 homes.
Green Path North is pretty typical of the renewables push in the United States: big, expensive, slow, and spectacularly uncertain. Twenty-eight states have pledged to shift their energy mix to at least 10% renewables, and at press time, Congress was considering a national target of 15% by 2020. But if many of us see this moment as a defining one, a key opportunity to reassess how we create and use energy across the country, the federal government seems content to leave the owners of the old energy world in charge of designing the new one. Big utilities are pushing hard to do what they do best -- getting the government to subsidize construction of multi-billion-dollar, far-flung, supersize solar and wind farms covering millions of acres, all connected via outsize transmission lines. Nevada senator Harry Reid has introduced legislation to speed the way for a national "electric superhighway." (Former Vice President Al Gore is another champion.) "We need to have an efficient way to take energy created in often remote areas and move it to where it is needed," Reid said this spring on the Senate floor. "A cleaner, greener national transmission system -- an electric superhighway -- must be a top national priority."
But the men appear to be victims of a bad metaphor. There's nothing especially efficient or high tech about heavy-duty aluminum-steel cables; "line loss" -- the power lost during transmission -- runs as high as 10% on our overloaded grid......

Meanwhile, utilities are making plenty of money off their existing investments in fossil-fuel power. It often seems that according to utilities, renewables are the power resource of the next decade, and always will be.

Harvey says he has a better idea. The founder of the Alliance for Responsible Energy Policy, he's no NIMBY complainer. "We're just the opposite; we want it in our backyard," he says. "We want to put solar panels on our roofs and our neighbors' roofs." The nearby city of Palm Desert rolled out a program last August funding fixed-rate loans to private homeowners for rooftop solar, and within weeks, the money had been spent and panels were up on roofs. "The choice is clear," says Harvey. "If you want renewables, you want 'em clean and you want 'em fast, and the best way to do that is [rooftops]. But the utilities have been so adamant about thwarting these programs. They are the ones that are standing in our way."

Why the Microgrid Could Be the Answer to Our Energy Crisis

Gov't should not intervene in the marketplace with the Solyndra's of the world and at the same time should not intervene on behalf of the power companies and a centralized grid either. The answer IMO is micropower generation but gov't should recuse itself completely out of the entire market process and over time the micro-energy generation at the point of use will naturally become the standard and the most efficient means. It would also open the door for energy generation even beyond solar, wind, hydro and the other current known forms of energy generation as well as spurring products that use energy to make those products the absolute most efficient as they can be.

The current fossil fuel driven power generation grid (not leaving out nuclear either) was a result of massive gov't intervention on behalf of numerous vested interests so let's not make the mistake again with the new rising technologies of energy generation.
 
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