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<blockquote data-quote="dannyboy" data-source="post: 544873" data-attributes="member: 484"><p>PC</p><p> </p><p>I have many times been a target for those union supporters who tell everyone that without the union, you would not be making near what you make, and you would not have a good a job as you do.</p><p> </p><p>I dont believe that one bit. As a self starter, I, like a lot of other posters on this site have always given extra effort to whom ever it is we are working for. It just happens to be UPS in this case. And the pay we get reflects the work we do. Nobody but nobody hustles like we do. After 33 years, I can repeat that again, Nobody hustles like we do.</p><p> </p><p>And if at this job I did not make what I felt was a decent wage to reflect the work done, I would have moved on many years ago. There are a lot of places that compensate very well besides UPS. And many are non union.</p><p> </p><p>Criminal activity in the teamsters is nothing new. After all, in every Teamster mag is three or four pages of legal activity against those that have been caught dealing first hand with organized crime. And without a doubt it was organized crime that put Hoffa 1 God knows where. And that lesson is not lost on the H Jr.</p><p> </p><p>But for the rank and file, or the majority of the Teamsters at UPS, they are not thugs or intimidaters like you want to portray. They are the guys and gals next door. The backbone of what makes this country good.</p><p> </p><p>Have the unions outlived their usefulness? Could be. </p><p> </p><p>When the unions first came into play, there was no OSHA, no work place safety concern, no limits on hours that can be worked before paying overtime and the list goes on and on. </p><p> </p><p>Now all those issues are taken care of for every employee union and no. </p><p> </p><p>You bring up a lot of interesting parallels between our country and overseas, where a lot of manufacturing jobs have gone. Some of the issues did involve unions trying to get the best contract for the employees, nothing wrong with that. </p><p> </p><p>Problem is that when you are dealing with companies that deal with labor that makes less than a dollar an hour somewhere else, true labor costs can not compare. It is cheaper to take your labor intensive business overseas. Walmart has taught us that well.</p><p> </p><p>But it is interesting to see, with the case of Briggs and Stratton for instance that when you figure the cost of quality issues into the labor costs, then add shipping, they have found that making it here in the USA does make a lot of sense.</p><p> </p><p>As for the auto makers, the restrictions, laws and other misc goodies imposed by our federal gooberment had more to do with the failure than most any other single item. </p><p> </p><p>Yes I know, keeping workers in a pool to draw from in case you need them while paying them full wages for doing nothing never did make sense, but the companies agreed to that in the contract. </p><p> </p><p>And like so many things in our contract, it was to be a benefit for the company as well as the union member.</p><p> </p><p>It is interesting that the very lines that the gooberment forced GM to sell off have been snapped up by other countries, leaving us with cars the gooberment wants GM to produce. </p><p> </p><p>So the bottom line is this, the gooberment is in charge as far as what the automakers will produce. And with the gooberment in charge of what gas prices are doing right now, you can only imagine what types of crap will be produced next.</p><p> </p><p>d</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="dannyboy, post: 544873, member: 484"] PC I have many times been a target for those union supporters who tell everyone that without the union, you would not be making near what you make, and you would not have a good a job as you do. I dont believe that one bit. As a self starter, I, like a lot of other posters on this site have always given extra effort to whom ever it is we are working for. It just happens to be UPS in this case. And the pay we get reflects the work we do. Nobody but nobody hustles like we do. After 33 years, I can repeat that again, Nobody hustles like we do. And if at this job I did not make what I felt was a decent wage to reflect the work done, I would have moved on many years ago. There are a lot of places that compensate very well besides UPS. And many are non union. Criminal activity in the teamsters is nothing new. After all, in every Teamster mag is three or four pages of legal activity against those that have been caught dealing first hand with organized crime. And without a doubt it was organized crime that put Hoffa 1 God knows where. And that lesson is not lost on the H Jr. But for the rank and file, or the majority of the Teamsters at UPS, they are not thugs or intimidaters like you want to portray. They are the guys and gals next door. The backbone of what makes this country good. Have the unions outlived their usefulness? Could be. When the unions first came into play, there was no OSHA, no work place safety concern, no limits on hours that can be worked before paying overtime and the list goes on and on. Now all those issues are taken care of for every employee union and no. You bring up a lot of interesting parallels between our country and overseas, where a lot of manufacturing jobs have gone. Some of the issues did involve unions trying to get the best contract for the employees, nothing wrong with that. Problem is that when you are dealing with companies that deal with labor that makes less than a dollar an hour somewhere else, true labor costs can not compare. It is cheaper to take your labor intensive business overseas. Walmart has taught us that well. But it is interesting to see, with the case of Briggs and Stratton for instance that when you figure the cost of quality issues into the labor costs, then add shipping, they have found that making it here in the USA does make a lot of sense. As for the auto makers, the restrictions, laws and other misc goodies imposed by our federal gooberment had more to do with the failure than most any other single item. Yes I know, keeping workers in a pool to draw from in case you need them while paying them full wages for doing nothing never did make sense, but the companies agreed to that in the contract. And like so many things in our contract, it was to be a benefit for the company as well as the union member. It is interesting that the very lines that the gooberment forced GM to sell off have been snapped up by other countries, leaving us with cars the gooberment wants GM to produce. So the bottom line is this, the gooberment is in charge as far as what the automakers will produce. And with the gooberment in charge of what gas prices are doing right now, you can only imagine what types of crap will be produced next. d [/QUOTE]
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