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Is UPS really this bad to work for, or are people exaggerating??
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<blockquote data-quote="Anony Mouse Cow Ard" data-source="post: 137212"><p>1. You have to stand up for yourself -maybe with union assistance- to prevent unpaid overtime. There will be pressure, and sometimes things might seem easier if you just do a little off-the-clock....</p><p>2. The 13-hour days may be there. The overtime is part of the job. How do you expect that a $25/hour driver earns $80,000 per year? However, not everyone works that long every day - and you have to stand up for yourself before burnout.</p><p>3. I have seen centers where part-timers move to FT or Mgt in 2 to 3 years, and centers where part-timers have been hanging on for 15+ years without a FT position being available. Those were 12- to 16-car rural centers. In metropolitan areas, I think 5 to 7 years is common, but things change fast. (When I started in the '70s, I was told it would be a few years before I would drive. Within a year, I was driving...11 hour days.)</p><p>4. Supervisors vary greatly, but few remain pleasant under the stresses that UPS places upon them. Some will do most anything to meet expectations.</p><p>5. Sexism is rampant among the employees in general, slightly less rampant among management.</p><p>6. Yes. Some of those 15+year part-timers I mentioned still have to call each day to see if they get to drive (in addition to their in-center duties, or shuttle route, etc.). </p><p>7. UPS does teach, train, PCM, emphasize and expect that proper methods be used...but the pressure to produce a lot of work encourages everyone to ignore those methods. Those who are young and invincible ignore the methods (and may be praised for their high production) at a future cost to their bodies.</p><p>8. I dunno.</p><p>9. Not a hard and fast rule - it depends upon the situation - but UPS does not cut much slack for a driver who ignores methods. </p><p>10. From #4: Supervisors vary greatly...<s>ome will do most anything to meet expectations. </s></p><p><s>11. "Mental anguish" is not a UPS trait, but can come from the situations already described and how we react to those situations. </s></p><p><s></s></p><p><s>To answer the question posed in the title of this thread, NO, UPS is not really that bad to work for...in most cases. Here, you will hear about the worst situations. Probably not exaggeration, but not entirely standard.</s></p><p><s></s></p><p><s>UPS expects hard work from the employees, and always has. That hard work has been rewarded with job security and excellent benefits - and good pay plus good retirement for those who last a long time. In the past 10 years, the emphasis on meeting numbers has increased the stress levels for management, and that stress gets passed down to the workers in many ways.</s></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Anony Mouse Cow Ard, post: 137212"] 1. You have to stand up for yourself -maybe with union assistance- to prevent unpaid overtime. There will be pressure, and sometimes things might seem easier if you just do a little off-the-clock.... 2. The 13-hour days may be there. The overtime is part of the job. How do you expect that a $25/hour driver earns $80,000 per year? However, not everyone works that long every day - and you have to stand up for yourself before burnout. 3. I have seen centers where part-timers move to FT or Mgt in 2 to 3 years, and centers where part-timers have been hanging on for 15+ years without a FT position being available. Those were 12- to 16-car rural centers. In metropolitan areas, I think 5 to 7 years is common, but things change fast. (When I started in the '70s, I was told it would be a few years before I would drive. Within a year, I was driving...11 hour days.) 4. Supervisors vary greatly, but few remain pleasant under the stresses that UPS places upon them. Some will do most anything to meet expectations. 5. Sexism is rampant among the employees in general, slightly less rampant among management. 6. Yes. Some of those 15+year part-timers I mentioned still have to call each day to see if they get to drive (in addition to their in-center duties, or shuttle route, etc.). 7. UPS does teach, train, PCM, emphasize and expect that proper methods be used...but the pressure to produce a lot of work encourages everyone to ignore those methods. Those who are young and invincible ignore the methods (and may be praised for their high production) at a future cost to their bodies. 8. I dunno. 9. Not a hard and fast rule - it depends upon the situation - but UPS does not cut much slack for a driver who ignores methods. 10. From #4: Supervisors vary greatly...[s]ome will do most anything to meet expectations. 11. "Mental anguish" is not a UPS trait, but can come from the situations already described and how we react to those situations. To answer the question posed in the title of this thread, NO, UPS is not really that bad to work for...in most cases. Here, you will hear about the worst situations. Probably not exaggeration, but not entirely standard. UPS expects hard work from the employees, and always has. That hard work has been rewarded with job security and excellent benefits - and good pay plus good retirement for those who last a long time. In the past 10 years, the emphasis on meeting numbers has increased the stress levels for management, and that stress gets passed down to the workers in many ways.[/s] [/QUOTE]
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