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<blockquote data-quote="canon" data-source="post: 157240" data-attributes="member: 8423"><p>I had no complaints when PAS was first introduced, prior to the routes being re-looped. This was a "getting familiar" time with the new system, but essentially nothing had changed on the shelves. Then we went live and someone who had never even been on a package car was given the task of relooping our whole center. (I take that back, she said she had been a driver helper during one peak season. My bad.)</p><p></p><p>I had a different route at that time... 50/50 split of heavy industrial park volume and residential with 35 pickups. My residential came from a HUGE subdivision directly across the street from the industrial area. I was able to dispatch everyday within a 1 mile radius of the center of my business stops. When she relooped my area, my residential was spread out over <em>four different zip codes</em>. A handful of stops here, some over there, a few more elsewhere... and the same for the other drivers having to come to (and thru) my area to deliver their "new more efficient routes". </p><p></p><p>When she agreed to see me about fixing it, I received a huge explanation about how "this is the baseline, and these are another driver's am stops, these are someone else's pm stops (etc)", and finally told me there's nothing wrong with it. What the heck happened to trying to maintain stop density? Why is it cost effective to have 3 drivers servicing the same subdivision? Every time a driver has to leave a subdivision and get back into traffic it costs time. </p><p></p><p>On that route, I handled 400-500+ packages a day between delivery and pickups. Not once in the 5 years I was on that route did management ever have to talk to me about my job performance. Literally <em>overnight</em>, I went from someone who had the respect of my management team to someone who needed to be rode with to find out why I was so far overallowed. The kicker is that they pretended not to understand the cause for it. Gee, how dumb does that make them look?</p><p></p><p>The day after my ride-along, I asked what my numbers were. He said I was an hour and twenty minutes over-allowed. I asked, "You rode with me, what was I doing wrong or what can I do differently to get that number down?" His response was one of the more believable I've heard from management: "You didn't do anything wrong, it's just the way the time allowances are set up. We're more concerned with keeping drivers under 9.5 and not so worried about a little over allow." I went on to ask if it's even possible to run scratch... he said no.</p><p></p><p>What the heck UPS? If I took a class in college where a test was based on 100 points, but the teacher said it was only possible to make a 50% on it... why would the teacher even expect me to try? The numbers are so unrealistic it creates a "screw it, there's no way to win" attitude. The house is playing with a marked deck and the players know it... the frustrating part is the arrogance surrounding upper management's belief that we're not smart enough to figure it out (or the indifference of how it impacts us). PAS eliminated a lot of the old time allowances because it was <em>supposed</em> to eliminate misloads, or having to "fix" the load on area, and looking for stops etc. PAS was <em>supposed</em> to put all our stops in order, stop for stop, in the most efficient way possible. It did none of this (for any driver I know of in my center), but we lost the time allowances anyway and gained the additional work which was supposed to accompany the new time saving benefits under the PAS system. <em>We are set up for failure, then criticized for not succeeding.</em> </p><p></p><p>Believe me, I didn't start out this bitter. In 14 years I've only filed one greviance. I'm not a runner, but for some reason earning mgmt's respect has always been of importance to me (maybe it the military influence... huah lol) so I do what is expected and have always tried to be on the courteous/helpful side of requests from management. I've never even put in for an 8hour because I know it's a pain to cover pickups etc, yet the sups do their best to make me feel like crap for not coming in when I'm sick. I'm not anti-company nor pro-union... I know where my paycheck comes from so I've always seen both sides as being on the same team with the same ultimate goals in mind. I don't feel that way anymore.</p><p></p><p></p><p>As theraputic as it is to vent like this, I may as well be talking to my dog. On the bright side church was good tonight, we're supposed to get snow, and my wife just got me some focus mitts for mma training. Life is good.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="canon, post: 157240, member: 8423"] I had no complaints when PAS was first introduced, prior to the routes being re-looped. This was a "getting familiar" time with the new system, but essentially nothing had changed on the shelves. Then we went live and someone who had never even been on a package car was given the task of relooping our whole center. (I take that back, she said she had been a driver helper during one peak season. My bad.) I had a different route at that time... 50/50 split of heavy industrial park volume and residential with 35 pickups. My residential came from a HUGE subdivision directly across the street from the industrial area. I was able to dispatch everyday within a 1 mile radius of the center of my business stops. When she relooped my area, my residential was spread out over [I]four different zip codes[/I]. A handful of stops here, some over there, a few more elsewhere... and the same for the other drivers having to come to (and thru) my area to deliver their "new more efficient routes". When she agreed to see me about fixing it, I received a huge explanation about how "this is the baseline, and these are another driver's am stops, these are someone else's pm stops (etc)", and finally told me there's nothing wrong with it. What the heck happened to trying to maintain stop density? Why is it cost effective to have 3 drivers servicing the same subdivision? Every time a driver has to leave a subdivision and get back into traffic it costs time. On that route, I handled 400-500+ packages a day between delivery and pickups. Not once in the 5 years I was on that route did management ever have to talk to me about my job performance. Literally [I]overnight[/I], I went from someone who had the respect of my management team to someone who needed to be rode with to find out why I was so far overallowed. The kicker is that they pretended not to understand the cause for it. Gee, how dumb does that make them look? The day after my ride-along, I asked what my numbers were. He said I was an hour and twenty minutes over-allowed. I asked, "You rode with me, what was I doing wrong or what can I do differently to get that number down?" His response was one of the more believable I've heard from management: "You didn't do anything wrong, it's just the way the time allowances are set up. We're more concerned with keeping drivers under 9.5 and not so worried about a little over allow." I went on to ask if it's even possible to run scratch... he said no. What the heck UPS? If I took a class in college where a test was based on 100 points, but the teacher said it was only possible to make a 50% on it... why would the teacher even expect me to try? The numbers are so unrealistic it creates a "screw it, there's no way to win" attitude. The house is playing with a marked deck and the players know it... the frustrating part is the arrogance surrounding upper management's belief that we're not smart enough to figure it out (or the indifference of how it impacts us). PAS eliminated a lot of the old time allowances because it was [I]supposed[/I] to eliminate misloads, or having to "fix" the load on area, and looking for stops etc. PAS was [I]supposed[/I] to put all our stops in order, stop for stop, in the most efficient way possible. It did none of this (for any driver I know of in my center), but we lost the time allowances anyway and gained the additional work which was supposed to accompany the new time saving benefits under the PAS system. [I]We are set up for failure, then criticized for not succeeding.[/I] Believe me, I didn't start out this bitter. In 14 years I've only filed one greviance. I'm not a runner, but for some reason earning mgmt's respect has always been of importance to me (maybe it the military influence... huah lol) so I do what is expected and have always tried to be on the courteous/helpful side of requests from management. I've never even put in for an 8hour because I know it's a pain to cover pickups etc, yet the sups do their best to make me feel like crap for not coming in when I'm sick. I'm not anti-company nor pro-union... I know where my paycheck comes from so I've always seen both sides as being on the same team with the same ultimate goals in mind. I don't feel that way anymore. As theraputic as it is to vent like this, I may as well be talking to my dog. On the bright side church was good tonight, we're supposed to get snow, and my wife just got me some focus mitts for mma training. Life is good. [/QUOTE]
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