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<blockquote data-quote="canon" data-source="post: 157729" data-attributes="member: 8423"><p>So love it or leave it eh? I particularly like the last sentence... that if someone is unhappy it also means they aren't getting their job done. I've done nothing but fight with my sups to fix the PAS system <em>so I stop wasting miles, get more stops, and decrease my hours on road</em>. I only know how to say it in English... but you demonstrate the EXACT problem I have with my immediate supervisors: <em>Anything other than praise is dismissed as complaint</em>. Whatever, I'm trying to help. Like I said, I don't own stock.</p><p></p><p>If you're looking outside of UPS for employment I think you're missing your mark. You'd be a carbon copy of every supervisor I currently have. I think our biggest problem might be too much promoting from within... especially since there's such a weak filter to get into this place. </p><p></p><p>Reasons I've seen mgmt fired/demoted at my building over the years:</p><p></p><p>*<strong>Drunk at work</strong>. Actually still drunk from the night before, but blew over the legal limit at noon. On-road supervisor. He wasn't going out on car that day, but the smell of alcohol was enough for a UPS sales rep to report him after she stopped by his office. (fired)</p><p></p><p>*<strong>Falsifying records</strong>. Manager changing the punch out times for the new hires (unloaders) to keep his numbers looking good. Someone thought it was strange the whole unload was punching out at EXACTLY 4 hours. Brilliant. (fired)</p><p></p><p>*<strong>Falsifying records</strong>. Manager caught shifting over 70 allowances from one driver to another so they all dispatch. (demoted)</p><p></p><p>*<strong>Falsifying records</strong>. Manager running the preload didn't want to allow hazmat responder the time during the sort to do routine inspections of equipment, nor allow her time after the sort because it would be overtime. An audit which included the woman revealed he had been signing her initials the whole time as tho she was doing the inspections. (fired)</p><p></p><p>*<strong>Sexual harrassment</strong>. The company keeps a polaroid in the office to record damages, bad loads etc. A part time supervisor used that camera to "document improper bending/lifting techniques" by a female preloader. The pic was taken at waist level from behind her while she was bent over. You couldn't tell there was improper anything, other than a closeup of her butt and including a shot straight up her shirt. (Moved to another belt, ended up taking a union job at Ford.) On a side note, this guy issued me the only warning letter I've ever received in 14 years. When I was part-time, he pulled me off the belt to review my previous days performance. I worked at the head of the belt, splitting it and loading 3 cars. He had me off the belt for about a minute and a half while the sort continued running. When we finished, he walked right past my area and sheeted up the packages I had "missed" while we were talking. I won the greviance for me and 4 other people who were there for "missing" packages as they came down the belt. </p><p></p><p>*<strong>Falsifying records</strong>. Manager using a diad to record airs left in building as delivered so he didn't have to put more air drivers on the road. (fired)</p><p></p><p>*<strong>Dishonesty</strong>. Involved with manager directly above. UPS claimed he knew about the airs being sheeted as delivered and did nothing about it. To show how much respect he had with the employees, they actually took up a petition to ask UPS to reconsider. UPS didn't... well not until he won a wrongful termination lawsuit. They offered him his position back, but he declined claiming he would be blacklisted and be forever passed up for promotion. Settled for cash, don't know how much. (fired, declined reinstatement)</p><p></p><p>*<strong>Dishonesty</strong>. Claimed to be a long time sufferer of back problems. So bad he couldn't ride on a package car (he was an on-road supervisor). Loss prevention caught him somehow. Don't know details. (fired)</p><p></p><p>*<strong>Dishonesty</strong>. Same ailments as manager above, only this guy claimed it was so bad he could no longer even come to work. LP photographed him waxing his boat. (fired)</p><p></p><p></p><p>I'm not saying there aren't drivers equally guilty of the exact same things above, but each one of those people were in charge of me at one point or another. I've had a few managers confide in me (I really do try to earn their respect) and tell me they know the numbers are wrong, but there's nothing they can do except what corporate tells them. And as much pressure as there is on us to work faster, the threat of not being promoted or even being terminated is strong enough for some mgmt to risk falsifying records. Either face discipline for not meeting the impossible numbers, or face discipline for trying to fake the impossible numbers. Which one would get you?</p><p></p><p>So the drivers are upset about EDD being wrong, PAS making things impossible to meet expectations, stop counts being as high or higher than peak season when UPS used to acknowledge the need for a helper, and mgmt being told to squeeze more out. </p><p></p><p>Love it or leave it? What's wrong with just fixing it? Run if you want, you'll be rewarded with more stops and still be told you're not pulling your weight. The slackers get days off when they want and shuttle packages out to drivers instead of being entrusted with the potential of screwing up the numbers by taking a full route. That's just the way it is.</p><p></p><p>But I do like my job, that's why I want it fixed. It's not the hard work people are complaining about, it is doing the hard work and being told we're not doing enough. My request to management was, and still is: show me how and I'll be more than happy to do it. I'm still waiting.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="canon, post: 157729, member: 8423"] So love it or leave it eh? I particularly like the last sentence... that if someone is unhappy it also means they aren't getting their job done. I've done nothing but fight with my sups to fix the PAS system [I]so I stop wasting miles, get more stops, and decrease my hours on road[/I]. I only know how to say it in English... but you demonstrate the EXACT problem I have with my immediate supervisors: [I]Anything other than praise is dismissed as complaint[/I]. Whatever, I'm trying to help. Like I said, I don't own stock. If you're looking outside of UPS for employment I think you're missing your mark. You'd be a carbon copy of every supervisor I currently have. I think our biggest problem might be too much promoting from within... especially since there's such a weak filter to get into this place. Reasons I've seen mgmt fired/demoted at my building over the years: *[B]Drunk at work[/B]. Actually still drunk from the night before, but blew over the legal limit at noon. On-road supervisor. He wasn't going out on car that day, but the smell of alcohol was enough for a UPS sales rep to report him after she stopped by his office. (fired) *[B]Falsifying records[/B]. Manager changing the punch out times for the new hires (unloaders) to keep his numbers looking good. Someone thought it was strange the whole unload was punching out at EXACTLY 4 hours. Brilliant. (fired) *[B]Falsifying records[/B]. Manager caught shifting over 70 allowances from one driver to another so they all dispatch. (demoted) *[B]Falsifying records[/B]. Manager running the preload didn't want to allow hazmat responder the time during the sort to do routine inspections of equipment, nor allow her time after the sort because it would be overtime. An audit which included the woman revealed he had been signing her initials the whole time as tho she was doing the inspections. (fired) *[B]Sexual harrassment[/B]. The company keeps a polaroid in the office to record damages, bad loads etc. A part time supervisor used that camera to "document improper bending/lifting techniques" by a female preloader. The pic was taken at waist level from behind her while she was bent over. You couldn't tell there was improper anything, other than a closeup of her butt and including a shot straight up her shirt. (Moved to another belt, ended up taking a union job at Ford.) On a side note, this guy issued me the only warning letter I've ever received in 14 years. When I was part-time, he pulled me off the belt to review my previous days performance. I worked at the head of the belt, splitting it and loading 3 cars. He had me off the belt for about a minute and a half while the sort continued running. When we finished, he walked right past my area and sheeted up the packages I had "missed" while we were talking. I won the greviance for me and 4 other people who were there for "missing" packages as they came down the belt. *[B]Falsifying records[/B]. Manager using a diad to record airs left in building as delivered so he didn't have to put more air drivers on the road. (fired) *[B]Dishonesty[/B]. Involved with manager directly above. UPS claimed he knew about the airs being sheeted as delivered and did nothing about it. To show how much respect he had with the employees, they actually took up a petition to ask UPS to reconsider. UPS didn't... well not until he won a wrongful termination lawsuit. They offered him his position back, but he declined claiming he would be blacklisted and be forever passed up for promotion. Settled for cash, don't know how much. (fired, declined reinstatement) *[B]Dishonesty[/B]. Claimed to be a long time sufferer of back problems. So bad he couldn't ride on a package car (he was an on-road supervisor). Loss prevention caught him somehow. Don't know details. (fired) *[B]Dishonesty[/B]. Same ailments as manager above, only this guy claimed it was so bad he could no longer even come to work. LP photographed him waxing his boat. (fired) I'm not saying there aren't drivers equally guilty of the exact same things above, but each one of those people were in charge of me at one point or another. I've had a few managers confide in me (I really do try to earn their respect) and tell me they know the numbers are wrong, but there's nothing they can do except what corporate tells them. And as much pressure as there is on us to work faster, the threat of not being promoted or even being terminated is strong enough for some mgmt to risk falsifying records. Either face discipline for not meeting the impossible numbers, or face discipline for trying to fake the impossible numbers. Which one would get you? So the drivers are upset about EDD being wrong, PAS making things impossible to meet expectations, stop counts being as high or higher than peak season when UPS used to acknowledge the need for a helper, and mgmt being told to squeeze more out. Love it or leave it? What's wrong with just fixing it? Run if you want, you'll be rewarded with more stops and still be told you're not pulling your weight. The slackers get days off when they want and shuttle packages out to drivers instead of being entrusted with the potential of screwing up the numbers by taking a full route. That's just the way it is. But I do like my job, that's why I want it fixed. It's not the hard work people are complaining about, it is doing the hard work and being told we're not doing enough. My request to management was, and still is: show me how and I'll be more than happy to do it. I'm still waiting. [/QUOTE]
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