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Is UPS really this bad to work for, or are people exaggerating??
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<blockquote data-quote="canon" data-source="post: 159324" data-attributes="member: 8423"><p>I know you didn't. You said I was wrong... and a liar and stupid. The problem is that there are drivers who know everything I was saying is accurate for their center too. So the question remains... if I'm wrong, and lying and stupid... is everyone else as well? Don't dodge it, answer like a real supervisor.</p><p></p><p>No other response is required? How convenient to get you out of actually having to address a real issue. Google the definition for transparent.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Mocked? I've met good management people. The ones I listed barely deserve the bandwidth it takes to tell about them. And your defense of them really shines a light on your character. Especially if you think it's fine and dandy that the drivers just have to quietly suffer thru them while UPS sorts things out without so much as a miniscule gripe. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>And you deliberately took my words and tried to say I was elevating the drivers above such behavior, when I intentionally tried to maintain neutrality by noting drivers were capable of such behavior too in the original post:</p><p></p><p>But rather than addressing the points of that post such as the impossible expecations, poor looping, and failures inherent to PAS, you picked the route of trying to silence me with insults and twisted logic.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Heck, I was even standing up for management in that post:</p><p></p><p></p><p>I've not twisted your words. I've not lied. I've not sunk to namecalling. I've tried to stand on neutral ground when dealing with union/company issues. Every complaint I've raised here and at work has been in an effort to become a more efficient employee. The vast majority of drivers only want management to appreciate their efforts... but it's impossible when the numbers reduce those efforts to nothing more than saying we're all stealing company time by not working harder. For this, i'm called a stupid liar.</p><p></p><p>I can't wait for the Brown Cafe ERI. Who wanted to know what it's like working for UPS? This is classic bottom of the barrel management arrogance. Bring up a concern with management and you're rewarded with accusations of laziness and intentionally dragging your feet. No, not all sups are like this... but the ones that do show up at my center like that tend not to get promoted. They just sit there until they retire or leave for disciplinary reasons in an attempt to falsify the numbers enough to earn a promotion. Great work atmosphere eh? It's not an attack to talk about them in a thread dealing with what it's like to work for UPS.</p><p></p><p>And i'm sure this is all just a misunderstanding between tieguy and myself. We disagree, that's cool. But him not liking me and resorting to insults doesn't reflect poorly on me.</p><p></p><p>Anything else is simply redundant. Tieguy, you fought to say I was a liar and stupid; I fought to try to get you to understand I wasn't making an attack on management as a whole. You fought to redeem your image when accused of talking bad about drivers; I fought to get you to understand the post was about fixing the problems at UPS so everyone benefits (drivers and management). The fight is SO classic management... it's all about you. Who cares what else happens, so long as you look good on paper (or monitor in this case). </p><p></p><p>I'll give you last word, i'm sure you have more insults lined up for me. And I'll keep trying to remember why i'm not supposed to have a bad attitude towards my fearless leaders.</p><p><img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/group1/thumbdown.gif" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":thumbdown" title="Thumbdown :thumbdown" data-shortname=":thumbdown" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="canon, post: 159324, member: 8423"] I know you didn't. You said I was wrong... and a liar and stupid. The problem is that there are drivers who know everything I was saying is accurate for their center too. So the question remains... if I'm wrong, and lying and stupid... is everyone else as well? Don't dodge it, answer like a real supervisor. No other response is required? How convenient to get you out of actually having to address a real issue. Google the definition for transparent. Mocked? I've met good management people. The ones I listed barely deserve the bandwidth it takes to tell about them. And your defense of them really shines a light on your character. Especially if you think it's fine and dandy that the drivers just have to quietly suffer thru them while UPS sorts things out without so much as a miniscule gripe. And you deliberately took my words and tried to say I was elevating the drivers above such behavior, when I intentionally tried to maintain neutrality by noting drivers were capable of such behavior too in the original post: But rather than addressing the points of that post such as the impossible expecations, poor looping, and failures inherent to PAS, you picked the route of trying to silence me with insults and twisted logic. Heck, I was even standing up for management in that post: I've not twisted your words. I've not lied. I've not sunk to namecalling. I've tried to stand on neutral ground when dealing with union/company issues. Every complaint I've raised here and at work has been in an effort to become a more efficient employee. The vast majority of drivers only want management to appreciate their efforts... but it's impossible when the numbers reduce those efforts to nothing more than saying we're all stealing company time by not working harder. For this, i'm called a stupid liar. I can't wait for the Brown Cafe ERI. Who wanted to know what it's like working for UPS? This is classic bottom of the barrel management arrogance. Bring up a concern with management and you're rewarded with accusations of laziness and intentionally dragging your feet. No, not all sups are like this... but the ones that do show up at my center like that tend not to get promoted. They just sit there until they retire or leave for disciplinary reasons in an attempt to falsify the numbers enough to earn a promotion. Great work atmosphere eh? It's not an attack to talk about them in a thread dealing with what it's like to work for UPS. And i'm sure this is all just a misunderstanding between tieguy and myself. We disagree, that's cool. But him not liking me and resorting to insults doesn't reflect poorly on me. Anything else is simply redundant. Tieguy, you fought to say I was a liar and stupid; I fought to try to get you to understand I wasn't making an attack on management as a whole. You fought to redeem your image when accused of talking bad about drivers; I fought to get you to understand the post was about fixing the problems at UPS so everyone benefits (drivers and management). The fight is SO classic management... it's all about you. Who cares what else happens, so long as you look good on paper (or monitor in this case). I'll give you last word, i'm sure you have more insults lined up for me. And I'll keep trying to remember why i'm not supposed to have a bad attitude towards my fearless leaders. :thumbdown [/QUOTE]
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