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<blockquote data-quote="canon" data-source="post: 172533" data-attributes="member: 8423"><p>It's a good point. In the past, friendly competitive goals would be rewarded with something... a shirt, cookout, gift certificate. This was discussed in another thread recently. But it changed, and did so drastically.</p><p></p><p>I've always seen the analogy of selling a car to corporate production goals. If you know your car is only worth $10k, you ask $15k in hopes of getting $13k. The same philosophy is applied to establishing time allowances and work loads for employees it seems. Setting the bar higher pushes people to their limits to meet the goals. But once that bar exceeds what is physically possible, reaching those expectations is no longer a reality. Rewards ceased to work, simply because nobody can clear the bar. Replace rewards with discipline and now you'll get people to abandon proper methods and be "right"... at least on paper. </p><p></p><p>We've seen too many posts where mgmt fudges the numbers in an attempt to stay off the radar and put in enough time to retire. Driver didn't make any mistakes on the space and vis test? Make some up. We need 100% test scores on HazMat compliancy? Read out the answers after watching the video. Driver going to underdispatch? Send them on "busywork" missions to run miles up. I've met some good people in mgmt that are forced to resort to bending the rules just to keep a job. It's a catch 22 situation. And I've met some who really don't belong in any position dealing with people.</p><p></p><p>Are our stocks doing well? I don't participate so rarely watch what the day to day activities are. I do notice that we didn't make the top 100 places to work (list applies for salary people, managers etc). We've been in business for 100 years and are a multi-billion dollar company. What is keeping us from making that list? While other companies seem to be in major competition to keep the best mgmt from leaving with incentives and relaxed, enjoyable work environments... UPS rewards hard work with threats for not working <em>harder</em>. Yesterday's good numbers are today's job threatening reality. </p><p></p><p>The same arrogance that our customers will stick with us no matter how we treat them or how much we charge is applied to mgmt imo. There's no need to strive for improving moral because they aren't going anywhere anyway. And if they do, there's a waiting list a mile long to fill the vacancy. No creative leadership skills needed, to corporate there is no good or bad mgmt... only ones that do or don't follow directions. Even bad mgmt with little to no ppl skills can follow orders. What that means for us on the ground is the high possibility of having to wait out our current mgmt's retirement, promotion, or demotion in hopes the next one will be different.. and not worse. </p><p></p><p>And applied to this thread: It all rolls downhill. Still a good place to land financially if you don't have a college degree. </p><p></p><p>I've had some really good mgmt people in the past, ones that could motivate the drivers to do more work without the threats of discipline. Unfortunately, PAS marks the begining of some rather unpleasant changes as corporate micromanages away the remaining control center managers have over improving the center. "Let's fix it" has been replaced by "IE won't let us change it".</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="canon, post: 172533, member: 8423"] It's a good point. In the past, friendly competitive goals would be rewarded with something... a shirt, cookout, gift certificate. This was discussed in another thread recently. But it changed, and did so drastically. I've always seen the analogy of selling a car to corporate production goals. If you know your car is only worth $10k, you ask $15k in hopes of getting $13k. The same philosophy is applied to establishing time allowances and work loads for employees it seems. Setting the bar higher pushes people to their limits to meet the goals. But once that bar exceeds what is physically possible, reaching those expectations is no longer a reality. Rewards ceased to work, simply because nobody can clear the bar. Replace rewards with discipline and now you'll get people to abandon proper methods and be "right"... at least on paper. We've seen too many posts where mgmt fudges the numbers in an attempt to stay off the radar and put in enough time to retire. Driver didn't make any mistakes on the space and vis test? Make some up. We need 100% test scores on HazMat compliancy? Read out the answers after watching the video. Driver going to underdispatch? Send them on "busywork" missions to run miles up. I've met some good people in mgmt that are forced to resort to bending the rules just to keep a job. It's a catch 22 situation. And I've met some who really don't belong in any position dealing with people. Are our stocks doing well? I don't participate so rarely watch what the day to day activities are. I do notice that we didn't make the top 100 places to work (list applies for salary people, managers etc). We've been in business for 100 years and are a multi-billion dollar company. What is keeping us from making that list? While other companies seem to be in major competition to keep the best mgmt from leaving with incentives and relaxed, enjoyable work environments... UPS rewards hard work with threats for not working [I]harder[/I]. Yesterday's good numbers are today's job threatening reality. The same arrogance that our customers will stick with us no matter how we treat them or how much we charge is applied to mgmt imo. There's no need to strive for improving moral because they aren't going anywhere anyway. And if they do, there's a waiting list a mile long to fill the vacancy. No creative leadership skills needed, to corporate there is no good or bad mgmt... only ones that do or don't follow directions. Even bad mgmt with little to no ppl skills can follow orders. What that means for us on the ground is the high possibility of having to wait out our current mgmt's retirement, promotion, or demotion in hopes the next one will be different.. and not worse. And applied to this thread: It all rolls downhill. Still a good place to land financially if you don't have a college degree. I've had some really good mgmt people in the past, ones that could motivate the drivers to do more work without the threats of discipline. Unfortunately, PAS marks the begining of some rather unpleasant changes as corporate micromanages away the remaining control center managers have over improving the center. "Let's fix it" has been replaced by "IE won't let us change it". [/QUOTE]
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