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<blockquote data-quote="SpeciousAtBest" data-source="post: 137308"><p>I do see Ape's point. He isn't saying all drivers have no outside skills. I read where he said most drivers are good people. There didn't appear to be any assasination of the character of drivers.</p><p></p><p>He said, paraphrasing, that a driver is paid well above what he or she would get without union protection. While many drivers have skills developed outside UPS, they really don't add value to your job. You don't need any of them to drive. You have to have a clean record, be clean on the job, follow traffic laws, follow UPS policy, be of physical and mental health to do the job, and be curteous to customers. How is this different than the expectations of any job.</p><p></p><p>For those who have skills, you are blessed.</p><p></p><p>For those who don't, see what happens if you lose your UPS job. No other delivery company pays anywhere near the same. Your whole standard of living is based on the continuation of your exhorbitant wages at UPS. Lose those, and you might be in trouble.</p><p></p><p>Tradesmen (bricklayers, pipefitters, electricians, carpenters, mechanics, steelworkers, etc.) can apply their trade for any outfit and make good money. UPS drivers cannot.</p><p></p><p>As far as EDD, yeah, it is different. Then again, I heard the same crying when we went from paper to DIAD. </p><p></p><p>I've driven. It is hard work, but so was delivering furniture for 7.50 an hour in college. However, when I drove, I didn't have to buy clothes, or use my own vehicle for company business. I didn't have to worry about getting fired and having no recourse. I didn't have plan my day. I didn't have to load my truck -- barring some cleaning up of missorts and wrong shelf sorting. I didn't have put gas or wash own vehicle. I had to work long hours, but who doesn't. </p><p></p><p>Yes, drivers are good people, some have skills. Driving a big bulky truck takes some skills. Dealing with customers take some skill, and patience. Hauling packages and especially over-70's is tough. But, how is that really so different than delivery lumber for Lowe's or shingles for Home Depot. Oh, yeah, you get paid way too much for what you do.</p><p></p><p>Heh, we all get paid good at UPS. I do, and so should you. Like another said, UPS is rich. However, to be honest, drivers are paid more than reasonable compared to any other similar job.</p><p></p><p>If UPS ever had the big one (Strike where everyone was layed off), the company would suck for a while. No one thinks it can replace its drivers overnight and get the same level of service from new hires. But honestly, do you really think we couldn't recover within a month or so. Granted, some customers would get frustrated and divert volume that would take years, if ever, to recover. But besides that, UPS would chug along with new hires, some name Smith, some named Adebeyanisi, other named Gonzalez or Lopez. Like me, you are a number, and one that I think could be replaced for about half the wage. I honestly think the lines would be around the block for these jobs. Absent a union, if UPS paid people half as much, treated them ok, and had some level of benefits, people would sign up in a minute.</p><p></p><p>I don't take my position so seriously as you. I know I can be replaced. So can you. If you share this view, then you will know that some of us have an argument that is true. Separate the pain or perceived insult and you know there is some truth to this. Perhaps it is so true that it just gets you upset. I hate when others are right, too.</p><p></p><p>So, my argument is that driving is a modestly skilled position, compensated far beyond worth, and easily replaced for less. It doesn't mean that the people driving are bad, greedy, mean, stupid, or ungrateful. It is, however, what it is.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="SpeciousAtBest, post: 137308"] I do see Ape's point. He isn't saying all drivers have no outside skills. I read where he said most drivers are good people. There didn't appear to be any assasination of the character of drivers. He said, paraphrasing, that a driver is paid well above what he or she would get without union protection. While many drivers have skills developed outside UPS, they really don't add value to your job. You don't need any of them to drive. You have to have a clean record, be clean on the job, follow traffic laws, follow UPS policy, be of physical and mental health to do the job, and be curteous to customers. How is this different than the expectations of any job. For those who have skills, you are blessed. For those who don't, see what happens if you lose your UPS job. No other delivery company pays anywhere near the same. Your whole standard of living is based on the continuation of your exhorbitant wages at UPS. Lose those, and you might be in trouble. Tradesmen (bricklayers, pipefitters, electricians, carpenters, mechanics, steelworkers, etc.) can apply their trade for any outfit and make good money. UPS drivers cannot. As far as EDD, yeah, it is different. Then again, I heard the same crying when we went from paper to DIAD. I've driven. It is hard work, but so was delivering furniture for 7.50 an hour in college. However, when I drove, I didn't have to buy clothes, or use my own vehicle for company business. I didn't have to worry about getting fired and having no recourse. I didn't have plan my day. I didn't have to load my truck -- barring some cleaning up of missorts and wrong shelf sorting. I didn't have put gas or wash own vehicle. I had to work long hours, but who doesn't. Yes, drivers are good people, some have skills. Driving a big bulky truck takes some skills. Dealing with customers take some skill, and patience. Hauling packages and especially over-70's is tough. But, how is that really so different than delivery lumber for Lowe's or shingles for Home Depot. Oh, yeah, you get paid way too much for what you do. Heh, we all get paid good at UPS. I do, and so should you. Like another said, UPS is rich. However, to be honest, drivers are paid more than reasonable compared to any other similar job. If UPS ever had the big one (Strike where everyone was layed off), the company would suck for a while. No one thinks it can replace its drivers overnight and get the same level of service from new hires. But honestly, do you really think we couldn't recover within a month or so. Granted, some customers would get frustrated and divert volume that would take years, if ever, to recover. But besides that, UPS would chug along with new hires, some name Smith, some named Adebeyanisi, other named Gonzalez or Lopez. Like me, you are a number, and one that I think could be replaced for about half the wage. I honestly think the lines would be around the block for these jobs. Absent a union, if UPS paid people half as much, treated them ok, and had some level of benefits, people would sign up in a minute. I don't take my position so seriously as you. I know I can be replaced. So can you. If you share this view, then you will know that some of us have an argument that is true. Separate the pain or perceived insult and you know there is some truth to this. Perhaps it is so true that it just gets you upset. I hate when others are right, too. So, my argument is that driving is a modestly skilled position, compensated far beyond worth, and easily replaced for less. It doesn't mean that the people driving are bad, greedy, mean, stupid, or ungrateful. It is, however, what it is. [/QUOTE]
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