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<blockquote data-quote="BrownFlush" data-source="post: 4614313" data-attributes="member: 65823"><p>The thief lived and died:</p><p>(1) Without believing that God had raised Christ from the dead. Can we (Rom. 10:9)?</p><p>(2) Without being a member of the body of Christ. Can we (Eph. 1:22, 23; 2:16; 4:4; 5:23-26)?</p><p>(3) Without hearing the gospel as preached by the apostles. Can we (1 Cor. 15:1-4; Eph. 3:3-6; 1 Pet. 1:10-12)?</p><p>If the fact that the thief was not baptized means baptism is not essential for us, then the same reasoning also excludes the three items listed above.</p><p>Think...Jesus had “power on earth to forgive sins” (Matt. 9:6). He exercised that authority more than once (Lk. 7:50; Matt. 9:2). I believe the thief was saved by this same power. However, this was before the cross, before the preaching of repentance and remission of sins began in Jerusalem (Lk. 24:47-49; Acts 1:1-8; 2:1-5, 36-47). Jesus still has power to forgive sins (Matt. 28:18.20). That Divine right is expressed in the terms or conditions of the gospel. “He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned” (Mk. 16:16).</p><p>Jesus is not now on the earth pardoning people as He did then. He is now qualified, certified and verified as Lord at the right hand of God (Acts 2:29,36; 1 Pet. 3:22). We are now living under the new testament system (Heb. 9:16, 17). It is the “new and living way” which He consecrated for us through His flesh, i.e., His death on the cross (Heb. 10:19.22).</p><p>Actually, whether the thief was saved with or without water baptism has nothing to do with our salvation. But forget the thief for a moment. What about the rich, young ruler (Mk. 10:17-22). He could not inherit eternal life without going and selling all that he had. If you want salvation “just like the thief on the cross,” then why not salvation be “just like the rich, young ruler.”</p><p> So, we can exclude baptism, but shall have to go and sell all that we have? If not ,why not?</p><p> Our terms are different from those of the ruler and the thief. One can understand that when he contemplates the ruler, and he ought to be able to do so when he hangs with the thief.</p><p style="text-align: center"></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="BrownFlush, post: 4614313, member: 65823"] The thief lived and died: (1) Without believing that God had raised Christ from the dead. Can we (Rom. 10:9)? (2) Without being a member of the body of Christ. Can we (Eph. 1:22, 23; 2:16; 4:4; 5:23-26)? (3) Without hearing the gospel as preached by the apostles. Can we (1 Cor. 15:1-4; Eph. 3:3-6; 1 Pet. 1:10-12)? If the fact that the thief was not baptized means baptism is not essential for us, then the same reasoning also excludes the three items listed above. Think...Jesus had “power on earth to forgive sins” (Matt. 9:6). He exercised that authority more than once (Lk. 7:50; Matt. 9:2). I believe the thief was saved by this same power. However, this was before the cross, before the preaching of repentance and remission of sins began in Jerusalem (Lk. 24:47-49; Acts 1:1-8; 2:1-5, 36-47). Jesus still has power to forgive sins (Matt. 28:18.20). That Divine right is expressed in the terms or conditions of the gospel. “He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned” (Mk. 16:16). Jesus is not now on the earth pardoning people as He did then. He is now qualified, certified and verified as Lord at the right hand of God (Acts 2:29,36; 1 Pet. 3:22). We are now living under the new testament system (Heb. 9:16, 17). It is the “new and living way” which He consecrated for us through His flesh, i.e., His death on the cross (Heb. 10:19.22). Actually, whether the thief was saved with or without water baptism has nothing to do with our salvation. But forget the thief for a moment. What about the rich, young ruler (Mk. 10:17-22). He could not inherit eternal life without going and selling all that he had. If you want salvation “just like the thief on the cross,” then why not salvation be “just like the rich, young ruler.” So, we can exclude baptism, but shall have to go and sell all that we have? If not ,why not? Our terms are different from those of the ruler and the thief. One can understand that when he contemplates the ruler, and he ought to be able to do so when he hangs with the thief. [CENTER][/CENTER] [/QUOTE]
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