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<blockquote data-quote="El Correcto" data-source="post: 5867258" data-attributes="member: 60631">What led to the real rise of the west was a rejection of what christianity teaches as truth. They found much better ways to arrive at truth than fairytales.What was fueling the Christian abolitionists? Was it the pro slavery writings of the Bible? Was it the pro slavery teachings of their “god”?No it was the enlightenment that spurred revolutions, it was the scientific revolution that led to industrialization.These are so much more important for humanity and human rights than any pro slavery fairytale.And don’t get wrong I’m not trying to romanticize the Romans as strictly better.I’m not blaming Christians for the fall of Rome as if it is all their fault, I mainly do that just to goad you because it was a contributing factor, unlike homosexuality which you people routinely used to insult me with “homos caused Rome to fall”.In some ways the fall of Rome helped Europe, but you shouldn’t view the period of time when people were focused on superstitions and knowing the world through religion as some great step forward, in some ways it was a huge step backwards.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="El Correcto, post: 5867258, member: 60631"] What led to the real rise of the west was a rejection of what christianity teaches as truth. They found much better ways to arrive at truth than fairytales. What was fueling the Christian abolitionists? Was it the pro slavery writings of the Bible? Was it the pro slavery teachings of their “god”? No it was the enlightenment that spurred revolutions, it was the scientific revolution that led to industrialization. These are so much more important for humanity and human rights than any pro slavery fairytale. And don’t get wrong I’m not trying to romanticize the Romans as strictly better. I’m not blaming Christians for the fall of Rome as if it is all their fault, I mainly do that just to goad you because it was a contributing factor, unlike homosexuality which you people routinely used to insult me with “homos caused Rome to fall”. In some ways the fall of Rome helped Europe, but you shouldn’t view the period of time when people were focused on superstitions and knowing the world through religion as some great step forward, in some ways it was a huge step backwards. [/QUOTE]

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