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<blockquote data-quote="Whither" data-source="post: 5103019" data-attributes="member: 76643">Okay, we have a point of connection here. Yes, it&#039;s not &quot;work&quot; if you or me ask the other do something without the power to starve/expose the other the elements. I don&#039;t know what your living situation is like, but my wife and I ask such things of the other all the time. &quot;Will you please do this?&quot; I&#039;ve already said; I don&#039;t think there&#039;s a huge issue with &quot;laziness&quot;. That&#039;s a fear of people used to crappy relationships, and who lack the will/ability to stand up for themselves.Yes, I don&#039;t think free-loading can be neatly dismissed. Capitalism is probably the finest example of it. But it&#039;s there in the ethnographies too. I have no problem dealing with free-loaders on a smaller scale. But when the free-loaders have arrogated to themselves the powers of the law and social custom, as is currently the case, it is foolish to worry about your neighbor taking advantage of you in some hypothetical society. We already live in a world where, with a little investigation, it&#039;s easy to see how our employers take advantage of us and put serious restrictions on our freedom.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Whither, post: 5103019, member: 76643"] Okay, we have a point of connection here. Yes, it's not "work" if you or me ask the other do something without the power to starve/expose the other the elements. I don't know what your living situation is like, but my wife and I ask such things of the other all the time. "Will you please do this?" I've already said; I don't think there's a huge issue with "laziness". That's a fear of people used to crappy relationships, and who lack the will/ability to stand up for themselves. Yes, I don't think free-loading can be neatly dismissed. Capitalism is probably the finest example of it. But it's there in the ethnographies too. I have no problem dealing with free-loaders on a smaller scale. But when the free-loaders have arrogated to themselves the powers of the law and social custom, as is currently the case, it is foolish to worry about your neighbor taking advantage of you in some hypothetical society. We already live in a world where, with a little investigation, it's easy to see how our employers take advantage of us and put serious restrictions on our freedom. [/QUOTE]

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