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<blockquote data-quote="The Other Side" data-source="post: 1023248" data-attributes="member: 17969"><p>I am at odds with a few of your perceptions and while I can understand where you come from, I dont believe you fully understand what a union shop, member or local is all about.</p><p></p><p>First, our dues go towards many things and those "many" things may NEVER affect you directly. In other cases, it may benefit you greatly over time. The calculations for union dues uses a formula of 2 1/2 times your hourly wage. So for instance, as a full time driver, i pay 82.00 dollars a month currently. Every time we get a raise, so does our local.</p><p></p><p>That money pays the wages of the agents, officers, office staff, buildings, cars, arbitrations, legal fees and every other business need of the local. For instance, in your local, they have to have an attorney on retainer at all times, and that could cost your local between 10K and 15k a month. The local also has to have an accounting firm to manage the money (dues) and that could cost about the same depending on the size of the local.</p><p></p><p>There is also the cost of running the local office, desks, chairs, computers, phones, paper, cabinets and every other thing you could imagine that an office needs. This costs thousands a month when you include office staff.</p><p></p><p>There is also travel and expenses for the local officers and staff.</p><p></p><p>Now, your dues, covers all these expenses as well as "most" of it going into investments. In my local, we receive over 800K every month in dues and that money is invested into many accounts that earn interest. We also invest in property that generates revenue.</p><p></p><p>In case of a strike, the purpose of those investments is to create strike funds that can be used to pay employees if a strike should occur. </p><p></p><p>You may never get in trouble and never need the service of the union, but your brothers and sisters in your local may need that help and your contribution, whatever it is goes towards paying for those services.</p><p></p><p>Currently, I am paying 82 dollars a month in dues, and as a part timer, there is NO WAY you are paying the same. This you are incorrect in stating. The calculation is the same, but your total is far less than what i pay.</p><p></p><p>AS for you being the core of the company, lets not elevate ourself too high on the food chain. Every aspect of the operation is a tough job and when you consider that a driver (like me) works close to 60 hours a week, you couldnt possibly work harder than I as I put in more hours in one week than you do in a half month. </p><p></p><p>Preload, unload is a rough job and there is very little respect shown by the company, but thats the system they created. It didnt use to be that way, but today its about turnover and fresh faces. UPS doesnt care if you last one week or 1 year, there is always a thousand people behind you ready to come in and do your job. Thats why they keep "dumbing" down the jobs with technology.</p><p></p><p>In the old days, UPS would make investments in their hub personnel because they knew someday they would represent the company on the street. Today, not so much. The kids with multiple tattoos, huge holes in thier ears, piercings in their faces are NOT the type of people UPS wants in browns representing the company , so they do everything they can to burn those people out.</p><p></p><p>I will agree that the pay is not fair and starting pay is still the same as it was years ago, and the union extending the term of establishing seniority is unfair, but thats the nature of business when you have republicans calling for cuts to middle class workers.</p><p></p><p>You have people on this board who are fully satisfied with paying you as little as humanly possible because they feel that the corporations should be protected before you and if you vote and vote for a republican, then you are only contributing to your own demise.</p><p></p><p>This you should really think about.</p><p></p><p>You have a tough job, is it the core? No. Is it important? YES. Do the majority of preloaders do the job correctly? NO.</p><p></p><p>There are other perceptions of your "job" that you have to consider. While you may feel super important, others may ask that guys like you be replaced for messing up their delivery days with misloads and off areas.</p><p></p><p>Its all relative.</p><p></p><p>The union should fight for better wages, a better benefit scale and better working conditions, but at the end of the day, its the easiest trade off for them as they protect the full timers.</p><p></p><p>It sucks, but thats how its negoiated.</p><p></p><p>Peace</p><p></p><p>TOS</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="The Other Side, post: 1023248, member: 17969"] I am at odds with a few of your perceptions and while I can understand where you come from, I dont believe you fully understand what a union shop, member or local is all about. First, our dues go towards many things and those "many" things may NEVER affect you directly. In other cases, it may benefit you greatly over time. The calculations for union dues uses a formula of 2 1/2 times your hourly wage. So for instance, as a full time driver, i pay 82.00 dollars a month currently. Every time we get a raise, so does our local. That money pays the wages of the agents, officers, office staff, buildings, cars, arbitrations, legal fees and every other business need of the local. For instance, in your local, they have to have an attorney on retainer at all times, and that could cost your local between 10K and 15k a month. The local also has to have an accounting firm to manage the money (dues) and that could cost about the same depending on the size of the local. There is also the cost of running the local office, desks, chairs, computers, phones, paper, cabinets and every other thing you could imagine that an office needs. This costs thousands a month when you include office staff. There is also travel and expenses for the local officers and staff. Now, your dues, covers all these expenses as well as "most" of it going into investments. In my local, we receive over 800K every month in dues and that money is invested into many accounts that earn interest. We also invest in property that generates revenue. In case of a strike, the purpose of those investments is to create strike funds that can be used to pay employees if a strike should occur. You may never get in trouble and never need the service of the union, but your brothers and sisters in your local may need that help and your contribution, whatever it is goes towards paying for those services. Currently, I am paying 82 dollars a month in dues, and as a part timer, there is NO WAY you are paying the same. This you are incorrect in stating. The calculation is the same, but your total is far less than what i pay. AS for you being the core of the company, lets not elevate ourself too high on the food chain. Every aspect of the operation is a tough job and when you consider that a driver (like me) works close to 60 hours a week, you couldnt possibly work harder than I as I put in more hours in one week than you do in a half month. Preload, unload is a rough job and there is very little respect shown by the company, but thats the system they created. It didnt use to be that way, but today its about turnover and fresh faces. UPS doesnt care if you last one week or 1 year, there is always a thousand people behind you ready to come in and do your job. Thats why they keep "dumbing" down the jobs with technology. In the old days, UPS would make investments in their hub personnel because they knew someday they would represent the company on the street. Today, not so much. The kids with multiple tattoos, huge holes in thier ears, piercings in their faces are NOT the type of people UPS wants in browns representing the company , so they do everything they can to burn those people out. I will agree that the pay is not fair and starting pay is still the same as it was years ago, and the union extending the term of establishing seniority is unfair, but thats the nature of business when you have republicans calling for cuts to middle class workers. You have people on this board who are fully satisfied with paying you as little as humanly possible because they feel that the corporations should be protected before you and if you vote and vote for a republican, then you are only contributing to your own demise. This you should really think about. You have a tough job, is it the core? No. Is it important? YES. Do the majority of preloaders do the job correctly? NO. There are other perceptions of your "job" that you have to consider. While you may feel super important, others may ask that guys like you be replaced for messing up their delivery days with misloads and off areas. Its all relative. The union should fight for better wages, a better benefit scale and better working conditions, but at the end of the day, its the easiest trade off for them as they protect the full timers. It sucks, but thats how its negoiated. Peace TOS [/QUOTE]
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