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<blockquote data-quote="quad decade guy" data-source="post: 5050392" data-attributes="member: 77939"><p>To all,</p><p></p><p>Thanks for your input.......</p><p></p><p>1) Anti-union? Hardly....I'm looking for SUPPORT from them. Especially since I've paid for such for 40 years....the "Union" is purely "reactive"....just always behind the curve....while employees cool their heels on termination.</p><p></p><p>2) Fearmongering? Hardly....by definition these events are quite real and happening right NOW. Going on now.....</p><p></p><p>3) Now, sure you can "request a strap"....and even refuse to take it. But what is being missed here.....is who makes that determination? If it has been determined straps are subjective/optional......when you cause a load to be missed.....in the end...who is going to defend you? Again a reactive Union......comes into play AFTER you are fired. See? I'd like to see a determination OFFICIALLY as in writing.</p><p></p><p>4) Know the rules? What are they.....exactly? Example: If you have to stop and pee/poop 3 times in a 4:45 leg.....what are your "rights" exactly? Female? What about that? Again we have/had these scenarios....leading to termination(see above)....not me....</p><p></p><p>5) What is really happening? The vast majority of feeder drivers in this District simply try to open trailer doors to check 3 pkgs, obtain paperwork/seals etc. If-none of this possible......they simply shut the door and obtain alternative paperwork/seals and depart. You say so what?......well...shifted loads?......I know a driver charged with an accident after rolling a 53 ft. on a curve BELOW speed limit, observerd by a cop.......this driver had PREVIOUSLY complained(to no avail) to Mgt. about this regular pickup stop not being load retained. So, what about all those roll-overs with sets/longs etc.? And you cowboys that think you can truly do whatever you want.....it is not so. And "feeling" or "I thought" ultimately is not absolute. Lot's of pick-up loads are palletized/shrink wrapped and loaded as they are.....with shifting possible front to back, side to side.....no? see above. Now, just refuse to pull it.....especially in front of the customer....no?</p><p></p><p>And you guys just say...."not my problem".....see above. Again, relying on the Union to back you.......really? And back to the shrink wrapped pallets? Say the Company comes back and says "they were retained..." Now what? See? This thing is way to nebulous/subjective. </p><p></p><p>6) A solution? Every load must be retained with a retaining device and these need to be defined in writing. With the Union leading the way....saying we back you. A definition(by DOT) as applied to our operations must be determined. Again, not a devining as interpreted by UPS. </p><p></p><p>7) Know your rights.....what are they? Exactly now. </p><p></p><p>8) I talk with fellow drivers about this subject.....most(not all) are at least indifferent. Most just say...."If they don't care...I don't care".</p><p>Consequences/possibilities? Shrug.</p><p></p><p>9) Safety? During my communications with Mgt./drivers/loaders.....never really enters the conversation. </p><p></p><p>10) In aviation, every accident/event(called different things) has an investigation and determination of a chain of events and recommendations for a safer outcome. DOJ can add criminal penalties also. Our accidents are investigated in a similar manner...sort of...with a punitive measure added. You know- disciplinary action. This discipline can be used at the discretion of the Company. Yes, the Union can be used as representation. The outcome is at most....uncertain. There are no absolutes. </p><p></p><p>And as usual....I am personally attacked. Why? Not really sure. So odd. If anything at the very least....I am an advocate for the employee. Why I am belittled for this.....is not clear to me. A general sorriness of my detractors is all I can determine. Nothing else makes logical sense.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="quad decade guy, post: 5050392, member: 77939"] To all, Thanks for your input....... 1) Anti-union? Hardly....I'm looking for SUPPORT from them. Especially since I've paid for such for 40 years....the "Union" is purely "reactive"....just always behind the curve....while employees cool their heels on termination. 2) Fearmongering? Hardly....by definition these events are quite real and happening right NOW. Going on now..... 3) Now, sure you can "request a strap"....and even refuse to take it. But what is being missed here.....is who makes that determination? If it has been determined straps are subjective/optional......when you cause a load to be missed.....in the end...who is going to defend you? Again a reactive Union......comes into play AFTER you are fired. See? I'd like to see a determination OFFICIALLY as in writing. 4) Know the rules? What are they.....exactly? Example: If you have to stop and pee/poop 3 times in a 4:45 leg.....what are your "rights" exactly? Female? What about that? Again we have/had these scenarios....leading to termination(see above)....not me.... 5) What is really happening? The vast majority of feeder drivers in this District simply try to open trailer doors to check 3 pkgs, obtain paperwork/seals etc. If-none of this possible......they simply shut the door and obtain alternative paperwork/seals and depart. You say so what?......well...shifted loads?......I know a driver charged with an accident after rolling a 53 ft. on a curve BELOW speed limit, observerd by a cop.......this driver had PREVIOUSLY complained(to no avail) to Mgt. about this regular pickup stop not being load retained. So, what about all those roll-overs with sets/longs etc.? And you cowboys that think you can truly do whatever you want.....it is not so. And "feeling" or "I thought" ultimately is not absolute. Lot's of pick-up loads are palletized/shrink wrapped and loaded as they are.....with shifting possible front to back, side to side.....no? see above. Now, just refuse to pull it.....especially in front of the customer....no? And you guys just say...."not my problem".....see above. Again, relying on the Union to back you.......really? And back to the shrink wrapped pallets? Say the Company comes back and says "they were retained..." Now what? See? This thing is way to nebulous/subjective. 6) A solution? Every load must be retained with a retaining device and these need to be defined in writing. With the Union leading the way....saying we back you. A definition(by DOT) as applied to our operations must be determined. Again, not a devining as interpreted by UPS. 7) Know your rights.....what are they? Exactly now. 8) I talk with fellow drivers about this subject.....most(not all) are at least indifferent. Most just say...."If they don't care...I don't care". Consequences/possibilities? Shrug. 9) Safety? During my communications with Mgt./drivers/loaders.....never really enters the conversation. 10) In aviation, every accident/event(called different things) has an investigation and determination of a chain of events and recommendations for a safer outcome. DOJ can add criminal penalties also. Our accidents are investigated in a similar manner...sort of...with a punitive measure added. You know- disciplinary action. This discipline can be used at the discretion of the Company. Yes, the Union can be used as representation. The outcome is at most....uncertain. There are no absolutes. And as usual....I am personally attacked. Why? Not really sure. So odd. If anything at the very least....I am an advocate for the employee. Why I am belittled for this.....is not clear to me. A general sorriness of my detractors is all I can determine. Nothing else makes logical sense. [/QUOTE]
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