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<blockquote data-quote="beentheredonethat" data-source="post: 446110" data-attributes="member: 4886"><p>Red I understand that we are looking at this from different viewpoints. I don't think I'll get you to change your mind, and you probably won't get me to change mine. But at least we can see if we can see each other's viewpoint. </p><p>Yes, these folks haven't gotten any benefit changes in the last 3 years or so. Let me ask you, what percent of the people have had "improvements" in the last 3 years? I'd say not many. How many have had to pay more for healthcare. I'd say quite a few. How many pay 0 for their health care. I'd say extremely few. I don't see how they could get sympathy from the general public on this one. </p><p> </p><p>Pay rate. They are already the highest paid folks of anyone in the industry (based on prior Browncafe and other websites). If I'm not mistaken the pay rate was over $40 per hour. Again it's pretty hard to get people sympathetic when you are the highest already. If you compare Scott Davis our President and CEO, you'll see that although paid highly, he's no where paid as much as other CEO's. </p><p> </p><p>Finally the economy. In this economy with hundreds of thousands out of work and more worried about losing their jobs, houses etc. I don't see much support for folks who make as much as they do, who don't have to contribute for health care. </p><p> </p><p>Finally a comparison to what you mentioned, to the UAW. When there was only 3 companies (Ford, GM, Chrysler). The UAW routinely struck one company then forced the other companies to follow. Now, there pay is very high, their benefits very good. their jobs in trouble because the companies are going under. Partially due to being uncompetitive on their pay rate vs their foreign competitors. There's other reasons, like bad designs, poor management etc. </p><p> </p><p>I would think that posturing and threats would hurt us (with our customers) and effect all of our jobs. </p><p> </p><p>Anyways. That's my two cents.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="beentheredonethat, post: 446110, member: 4886"] Red I understand that we are looking at this from different viewpoints. I don't think I'll get you to change your mind, and you probably won't get me to change mine. But at least we can see if we can see each other's viewpoint. Yes, these folks haven't gotten any benefit changes in the last 3 years or so. Let me ask you, what percent of the people have had "improvements" in the last 3 years? I'd say not many. How many have had to pay more for healthcare. I'd say quite a few. How many pay 0 for their health care. I'd say extremely few. I don't see how they could get sympathy from the general public on this one. Pay rate. They are already the highest paid folks of anyone in the industry (based on prior Browncafe and other websites). If I'm not mistaken the pay rate was over $40 per hour. Again it's pretty hard to get people sympathetic when you are the highest already. If you compare Scott Davis our President and CEO, you'll see that although paid highly, he's no where paid as much as other CEO's. Finally the economy. In this economy with hundreds of thousands out of work and more worried about losing their jobs, houses etc. I don't see much support for folks who make as much as they do, who don't have to contribute for health care. Finally a comparison to what you mentioned, to the UAW. When there was only 3 companies (Ford, GM, Chrysler). The UAW routinely struck one company then forced the other companies to follow. Now, there pay is very high, their benefits very good. their jobs in trouble because the companies are going under. Partially due to being uncompetitive on their pay rate vs their foreign competitors. There's other reasons, like bad designs, poor management etc. I would think that posturing and threats would hurt us (with our customers) and effect all of our jobs. Anyways. That's my two cents. [/QUOTE]
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